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<blockquote data-quote="Spell" data-source="post: 2987992" data-attributes="member: 19718"><p>look, i did take it personally and maybe i haven't made my point clear enough.</p><p></p><p>what i was trying to say is:</p><p></p><p>1. i don't think it's polite or nice or productive to reply with ironical remarks to a couple of guys that were basically asking for something they wanted.</p><p>do they want lushier books? big discounts for cheeseburgers with their copy of PHB? free books? good for them. they are just stating a simple fact: "if i pay, i want X".</p><p></p><p>now, i can ignore him, reply and explain him that my experience says that what he wants is not what other 99% people want, or take note and check if it's feasible or not. to the life of mine, i can't see how venting out one's sense of humour like Wulf did is helpful for him or his business, <em>especially</em> since he says that he himself offer high quality products for less.</p><p></p><p>it's like me giving to charity, and then making fun of someone who i just met on the street who says people should give to charity. what's the point?</p><p></p><p></p><p>and now for something completely different:</p><p>2. one must decide whether making D&D 4th edition the kind of collectible boardgame that it seems to emerge from the little that Eric Noah said is a good thing or not.</p><p></p><p>if one accepts that making D&D bigger is beneficial to the hobby ipso facto, then i don't really understand the panic or the dispear. that kind of game *will* be bigger. i said it myself, the totality of people on these boards are a minority themselves, so WotC is 100% right if they ignored us altogether. why bother with a reply, then?</p><p></p><p>D&D will attract new players, they will buy all the WotC books, someone will look for something different and BANG! they will buy books for the same small press publisher that cater for minority markets. maybe, in time, the small publisher will become respected and average sized, and than, who knows?, maybe bigger than WotC.</p><p></p><p>if one sees this course of action as beneficial, then what's the problem? why complaining? people can play other games, and D&D 4th edition won't turn all the back catalog from previous edition into ashes.</p><p></p><p>would you complain if you had a cadillac and they decided to put out a new model, completely different, that you don't like?</p><p></p><p>if, on the other hand, one thinks that keeping the essence of what D&D has been for 30 years is what is important, then selling comes second.</p><p>the people who are manifesting their unhappiness with the game should make an effort to contact WotC. again, voicing their thoughts here is not terribly beneficial to anyone, since these are not WotC boards. even if they were, i believe game designers and their bosses have better things to do than reading every post on the official boards.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for me:</p><p>1. i have decided that i don't care for D&D 4th edition long long ago.</p><p>2. i play GURPS, WHFRP, the real D&D (the red box one), AD&D and, if someone else is GMing, a buch of other d20 games (not D&D3e).</p><p>3. i do not advocate that i have any insightful idea on how the market is or should be.</p><p>4. i do not think that hasbro is evil for wanting more money.</p><p>5. i think that hasbro assumes that RPG games and gamers are like other boardgame gamers. (and maybe they are right.)</p><p>6. i am not a game designer/ publisher, and, most importantly</p><p>7. i don't care if i am the only person wanting a certain thing: i will buy only those games i am at least 90% happy with. if i want something bringing less "happyness" i just need to look at my shelves. if i won the lottery, quit my life and decide to do nothing but modifying RPG books to fit my needs, i could spend months without resurfacing.</p><p>8. i really have too much time to kill today if i am still writing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spell, post: 2987992, member: 19718"] look, i did take it personally and maybe i haven't made my point clear enough. what i was trying to say is: 1. i don't think it's polite or nice or productive to reply with ironical remarks to a couple of guys that were basically asking for something they wanted. do they want lushier books? big discounts for cheeseburgers with their copy of PHB? free books? good for them. they are just stating a simple fact: "if i pay, i want X". now, i can ignore him, reply and explain him that my experience says that what he wants is not what other 99% people want, or take note and check if it's feasible or not. to the life of mine, i can't see how venting out one's sense of humour like Wulf did is helpful for him or his business, [I]especially[/I] since he says that he himself offer high quality products for less. it's like me giving to charity, and then making fun of someone who i just met on the street who says people should give to charity. what's the point? and now for something completely different: 2. one must decide whether making D&D 4th edition the kind of collectible boardgame that it seems to emerge from the little that Eric Noah said is a good thing or not. if one accepts that making D&D bigger is beneficial to the hobby ipso facto, then i don't really understand the panic or the dispear. that kind of game *will* be bigger. i said it myself, the totality of people on these boards are a minority themselves, so WotC is 100% right if they ignored us altogether. why bother with a reply, then? D&D will attract new players, they will buy all the WotC books, someone will look for something different and BANG! they will buy books for the same small press publisher that cater for minority markets. maybe, in time, the small publisher will become respected and average sized, and than, who knows?, maybe bigger than WotC. if one sees this course of action as beneficial, then what's the problem? why complaining? people can play other games, and D&D 4th edition won't turn all the back catalog from previous edition into ashes. would you complain if you had a cadillac and they decided to put out a new model, completely different, that you don't like? if, on the other hand, one thinks that keeping the essence of what D&D has been for 30 years is what is important, then selling comes second. the people who are manifesting their unhappiness with the game should make an effort to contact WotC. again, voicing their thoughts here is not terribly beneficial to anyone, since these are not WotC boards. even if they were, i believe game designers and their bosses have better things to do than reading every post on the official boards. As for me: 1. i have decided that i don't care for D&D 4th edition long long ago. 2. i play GURPS, WHFRP, the real D&D (the red box one), AD&D and, if someone else is GMing, a buch of other d20 games (not D&D3e). 3. i do not advocate that i have any insightful idea on how the market is or should be. 4. i do not think that hasbro is evil for wanting more money. 5. i think that hasbro assumes that RPG games and gamers are like other boardgame gamers. (and maybe they are right.) 6. i am not a game designer/ publisher, and, most importantly 7. i don't care if i am the only person wanting a certain thing: i will buy only those games i am at least 90% happy with. if i want something bringing less "happyness" i just need to look at my shelves. if i won the lottery, quit my life and decide to do nothing but modifying RPG books to fit my needs, i could spend months without resurfacing. 8. i really have too much time to kill today if i am still writing. [/QUOTE]
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