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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 2996602" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>Actually, I don't mind it. I'll never use random rolling again, but it's not as if it's something that takes a lot of effort to change.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I've seen people tearing games apart because they rolled godly (and didn't cheat, either) and completely dominated the game on low levels (and were very strong on other levels, too), I stick with point buy. I seldom saw the opposite case (someone rolling low), since that sort of thing was usually rerolled.</p><p></p><p>And for those who say PB takes longer: I don't think so. Usually, you'll have to roll in front of the DM, one at a time, and that takes some time. With PB, you go ahead and assign the stats - and you can do so at home.</p><p></p><p>And if you want some randomness, you can still do so:</p><p></p><p>There's the TDA method from Dragon where your scores depend on the cards (but are still confirming to the Point Buy method, since the random part is just assigning the stats).</p><p></p><p>You could do something similar with Dice:</p><p></p><p>Take a D6 and start rolling, adding up numbers in row. If you want, you can skip one or more, or roll more than one die at a time for stats. Add up the numbers rolled for each stat until the sum reaches the Point Buy Limit (If you roll too much, cut it down to size)</p><p></p><p>You can do this in row (Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, Cha, or starting somewhere in the row and going round) or with 6 stats you later assign.</p><p></p><p><strong>Example</strong> </p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Say we want to roll in row. I want a tank fighter with 35 point buy, so I start with Str - and roll two times in a row for Str.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I get 6 and 3 -> 9. Dex gets 1. Con (rolled 2x again) 4 and 5, too. Int is skipped. Wis is 2. Cha 3.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Str 9</em></p><p><em>Dex 1</em></p><p><em>Con 9</em></p><p><em>Int 0</em></p><p><em>Wis 2</em></p><p><em>Cha 3</em></p><p><em>-----</em></p><p><em>24 Points. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I start again: 4 Str, 1 Dex, 3 Con, 0 Int, 0 Wis, 2 Cha.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Str 13, Dex 2, Con 12, Int 0, Wis 2, Cha 5</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>34 points. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Since you can't buy anything with 12 points, I just up it to 13.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>That gives me Str 17, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 13.</em></p><p><em></em> </p><p></p><p>You can play around with it a bit - this was just a quick idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's neither here nor there, if you ask me (and if you ask me not, it's still neither here nor there).</p><p></p><p>I played with Average rounded up (d10 -> 6), 3/4 (d10 -> 7). </p><p></p><p>In my campaign setting (where I'd have changed the classes), I'd have gone with fixed hit points instead of HD. So a Rogue would get 4+Con per level, not 1d6+Con. You'd get double HP at 1st (1st level Rogue with Con 14: 12 HP).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I hope not. The system is pretty damn great. Several details need fine tuning (and some need a complete overhauling, I give you that), but Since the game is not nearly as much a mess as AD&D 2e, it doesn't need to be scrapped and made again from scratch.</p><p></p><p>I'm no subscriber to the "if it ain't broke, fix it till it is" pholosophy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If they turn D&D into Warcraft for Dice, I'm out. I don't want to be forced to pay money to keep using the stuff I already bought. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How does that include my gaming room, where there is no computer and no internet connection? How does that include the lodge we often play in during summer? How does that work outside, where we also often play during summer?</p><p></p><p>How does that enable me to read the rulebook in the bed? I can live with falling asleep with the book - but not with the notebook.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to be forced to access the net to roleplay. I want books. Leave monthly subscriptions to Blizzard.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Further down, you write that you want to make the books optional. I think it's supposed to be the other way around: Make the electronic version optional. I don't even see the need for a monthly subscription. Get a free e-book with the book (every book has a serial key to unlock the books, and maybe a CD inlcuded), and get updates from the website - like you'd get errata.</p><p></p><p>The DB is a bonus.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We had a character like this - always going through all books to find a spell or feat or PrC that makes the character even better. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>I made a character the other day, too. I have 8 books here, too (PHB, DMG, FRCS, PGTF, Underdark, PHB2, CAdv, RotW). I made it sitting in front of my PC.</p><p></p><p>I think what you need is a better book organization during character creation <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You lost me for good at this point. Buying virtual minis? No way in all the lower planes.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I just declared my home the gaming place. BAM! Problem solved.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 2996602, member: 4134"] Actually, I don't mind it. I'll never use random rolling again, but it's not as if it's something that takes a lot of effort to change. As I've seen people tearing games apart because they rolled godly (and didn't cheat, either) and completely dominated the game on low levels (and were very strong on other levels, too), I stick with point buy. I seldom saw the opposite case (someone rolling low), since that sort of thing was usually rerolled. And for those who say PB takes longer: I don't think so. Usually, you'll have to roll in front of the DM, one at a time, and that takes some time. With PB, you go ahead and assign the stats - and you can do so at home. And if you want some randomness, you can still do so: There's the TDA method from Dragon where your scores depend on the cards (but are still confirming to the Point Buy method, since the random part is just assigning the stats). You could do something similar with Dice: Take a D6 and start rolling, adding up numbers in row. If you want, you can skip one or more, or roll more than one die at a time for stats. Add up the numbers rolled for each stat until the sum reaches the Point Buy Limit (If you roll too much, cut it down to size) You can do this in row (Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, Cha, or starting somewhere in the row and going round) or with 6 stats you later assign. [B]Example[/B] [I] Say we want to roll in row. I want a tank fighter with 35 point buy, so I start with Str - and roll two times in a row for Str. I get 6 and 3 -> 9. Dex gets 1. Con (rolled 2x again) 4 and 5, too. Int is skipped. Wis is 2. Cha 3. Str 9 Dex 1 Con 9 Int 0 Wis 2 Cha 3 ----- 24 Points. I start again: 4 Str, 1 Dex, 3 Con, 0 Int, 0 Wis, 2 Cha. Str 13, Dex 2, Con 12, Int 0, Wis 2, Cha 5 34 points. Since you can't buy anything with 12 points, I just up it to 13. That gives me Str 17, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 13. [/I] You can play around with it a bit - this was just a quick idea. That's neither here nor there, if you ask me (and if you ask me not, it's still neither here nor there). I played with Average rounded up (d10 -> 6), 3/4 (d10 -> 7). In my campaign setting (where I'd have changed the classes), I'd have gone with fixed hit points instead of HD. So a Rogue would get 4+Con per level, not 1d6+Con. You'd get double HP at 1st (1st level Rogue with Con 14: 12 HP). I hope not. The system is pretty damn great. Several details need fine tuning (and some need a complete overhauling, I give you that), but Since the game is not nearly as much a mess as AD&D 2e, it doesn't need to be scrapped and made again from scratch. I'm no subscriber to the "if it ain't broke, fix it till it is" pholosophy. If they turn D&D into Warcraft for Dice, I'm out. I don't want to be forced to pay money to keep using the stuff I already bought. How does that include my gaming room, where there is no computer and no internet connection? How does that include the lodge we often play in during summer? How does that work outside, where we also often play during summer? How does that enable me to read the rulebook in the bed? I can live with falling asleep with the book - but not with the notebook. I don't want to be forced to access the net to roleplay. I want books. Leave monthly subscriptions to Blizzard. Further down, you write that you want to make the books optional. I think it's supposed to be the other way around: Make the electronic version optional. I don't even see the need for a monthly subscription. Get a free e-book with the book (every book has a serial key to unlock the books, and maybe a CD inlcuded), and get updates from the website - like you'd get errata. The DB is a bonus. We had a character like this - always going through all books to find a spell or feat or PrC that makes the character even better. :p I made a character the other day, too. I have 8 books here, too (PHB, DMG, FRCS, PGTF, Underdark, PHB2, CAdv, RotW). I made it sitting in front of my PC. I think what you need is a better book organization during character creation ;) You lost me for good at this point. Buying virtual minis? No way in all the lower planes. I just declared my home the gaming place. BAM! Problem solved. [/QUOTE]
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