Error in OA spell "Ancestral Vengeance"?

[Piratecat]

Hmmm. The spell does 1d6/lvl to any undead... but it's a fortitude save for half, and undead are immune to anything with a fortitude save. Any advice, or published errata that I'm missing?

Thanks!

 

[Oni]

Personally I'd just say treat them as objects as far as this spell is concerned it would be the least hassle.

I haven't seen any eratta for this spell, there is definately nothing in the OA eratta pdf on the WotC site.

 

[CRGreathouse]

1d6 per level is a lot of damage for a second level spell, especially for the Con-less undead. Fort saves are all but impossible for them to make, so this spell is quite powerful for them. Is this too powerful? I don't really know... I haven't really used much from OA in my game.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hmmm. The spell does 1d6/lvl to any undead... but it's a fortitude save for half, and undead are immune to anything with a fortitude save.

Like, for example, a weapon of Disruption?

-Hyp.

 

[Oni]

My basic rule of thumb is the rules set the general standard, but when something says it behaves as certain way in a specific instance it supersedes the general rule.

Of course I used to play magic quite a bit, and that was common in that game.

It isn't real clear what exactly constitutes a list of crimes though, I don't know how much they meant that to be just flavor text, but it does seem like it coud put some limitation on the spell, because you are right CRGreathouse it does seem like a fair amount of damage for a second level, especially since it is usuable against any creature and not just the undead.

 

[Mort]

Hmmm. The spell does 1d6/lvl to any undead... but it's a fortitude save for half, and undead are immune to anything with a fortitude save. Any advice, or published errata that I'm missing?

Thanks!

I would have to agree with this. Undead are immune to anything that needs a fort save unless it would aslo affect an object (MM p. 10) - such as disintegrate [edited for correctness from the post bellow]. Since undead have relatively lousy fort saves when they are affected - this is a particularly good spell against them

 

[Hypersmurf]

Re: Re: Error in OA spell "Ancestral Vengeance"?

I would have to agree with this. Undead are immune to anything that needs a fort save unless it would aslo affect an object (MM p. 10) - such as fireball.

... fireball's a Reflex save. Did you mean Disintegrate?

-Hyp.

 

[Mort]

Re: Re: Re: Error in OA spell "Ancestral Vengeance"?

... fireball's a Reflex save. Did you mean Disintegrate?

-Hyp.

Absolutely! that's what you get for trying to think rationally at 12:30 after having been up since five! I think I'll just make sure that little mistake gets swept under the rug

 

[Black Omega]

This question came up in my game as well. The attack is defined as a 'sharp blow' so I worked it out as something that would effect undead.

It's a decent spell. My group's getting up to 10th level or so and it's already hit the point of being rarely used. It's a single target, 1d6 per two levels, max of 5d6 (or 10, against undead). If the group starts running into more tough undead, I'll probably see it used more. Against weaker undead, it's overkill, a turning would accomplish more.

 

[Piratecat]

Thanks, guys! I appreciate it.