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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 8206555" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>Very cool scenario! You are giving the players four objectives, as I understand it:</p><p></p><p><strong>1. Staying hidden from the Gloaming fey riders hunting them: </strong>Based on your description of the group, I'd focus on <em>creating opportunities to Hide </em>via distraction, clever spellcasting, locating cover, convincing a giant beast to move (as moving cover), deactivating magically luminous "star lanterns" to create areas of shadow they can sneak through, etc. If Stealth checks come up, that's a sign something has gone wrong, and the rare Stealth checks they should be more like saving throws against discovery & should have super high-stakes attached to them. The idea being more OSR in that the players should actively want to <em>avoid </em>making Stealth checks, rather than putting all their faith in rolling Stealth. Flip the script, and be explicit about it. Assume that IF they have the opportunity to Hide, then they are successfully overcoming the passive Perception of the hostile forces. IF. Transfer their faith to clever thinking about <em>how can we manipulate the environment / our pursuers in order to be able to Hide in this scene? </em>Personally, I'd come up with a d8, d10, or d12 table of vignettes encompassing close calls with Gloaming fey riders, focusing on fey-themed stealth elements (e.g. heads sprouting from trees that scream "betrayal" when a living creature comes within 30 feet and needing to silence them to avoid detection).</p><p></p><p><strong>2. Outpacing the Gloaming fey riders hunting them: </strong>I interpolated this from what you mentioned about route-finding between speedy route & stealthy route, implying there is some kind of a ticking clock countdown. It might be helpful to identify just what that ticking clock is. For instance, does the archfey ruling this forest realm have a costly magical ritual that requires 1 hour which seals off all routes/portals leaving the realm? Let the players know that! Are there <em>so many</em> riders coming to the realm, basically being recalled from other regions/planes, and appearing out of thin air, that you tell the players OOC "hey guys, in 60-90 minutes, this forest is going to be so lousy with riders that it's game over for you"? Either approach is fine, but the important thing is giving the players advance warning about the timeline they're facing – without that information, the choice between speedy route vs. stealthy route is immaterial.</p><p></p><p><strong>3. Acquiring a flower portal key: </strong>Since you already have them navigating to find the portal, I'd consider approaching this challenge not as one of navigation, but instead as "solving a conundrum." For example, maybe there's 3 different avenues through which they can acquire the flower portal key - you might introduce one via the guide, another via a PC's backstory or past session shenanigans, and another via talking animals / monsters they encounter in the forest. (1) There could be a redcap market below the forest floor, where they could trade for one, but there are limited ingress/egress points to the market which would make a perfect ambush site for Gloaming fey riders pursuing. A further complication could come in the price the redcaps ask being a seemingly nonsensical riddle or something that puts your players in a moral quandary (e.g. maybe the flower portal key is currently in the form of a pixie with a flower blossom growing from its head, and completing the transformation will end the pixie's existence as sentient life). (2) There could be an ailing treant kept in check by evil dryads aligned with the Gloaming fey who would be able to sprout a flower portal key, if only the thick canopy choking it were cleared so it can feel the sunlight once again. However such a dramatic change to the forest canopy would be immediately noticeable by the Gloaming fey rider's ravens or blood hawks, and would attract hostile forces. (3) There could be a ruin at a chokepoint bridge over a canyon or river, which the talking animals know the buds of a flower portal key were seen in fall/winter, and likely have blossomed. However, even the Gloaming fey riders avoid it as something ancient, evil, and dangerous inhabits the ruins. Twist being that it's not just a matter of dealing with or avoiding the ancient evil (or loosing it on the Gloaming fey riders across the bridge), but also devising a means to awaken the dormant bud to blossom into a flower.</p><p></p><p><strong>4. Navigating the forest to find the portal out: </strong>I'd aim for preparing 3 navigation choices, the first one between A or B, the next between C or D, and the last between E or F. Each set of choices has a stealthy option (which should also include some hidden threat in the shadows that I'd foreshadow with my description of what that path looks like) & an expedient option (which should include some kind of obviously foreboding terrain hinting at the skill checks which would be involved, as well as few to no opportunities to hide). When they take a stealthy path, there should be a risk of burning time off their clock when they fail checks or make certain decisions. When they take an expeditious path, there should be a risk of giving away their position to hostile forces.</p><p></p><p>One last thing: I think, if I've interpreted your scenario right, you've got enough here for 60-90 minutes gaming, no problem. Maybe more than that. No need to throw in a fight at a bridge or at the portal out, unless you really wanted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 8206555, member: 20323"] Very cool scenario! You are giving the players four objectives, as I understand it: [B]1. Staying hidden from the Gloaming fey riders hunting them: [/B]Based on your description of the group, I'd focus on [I]creating opportunities to Hide [/I]via distraction, clever spellcasting, locating cover, convincing a giant beast to move (as moving cover), deactivating magically luminous "star lanterns" to create areas of shadow they can sneak through, etc. If Stealth checks come up, that's a sign something has gone wrong, and the rare Stealth checks they should be more like saving throws against discovery & should have super high-stakes attached to them. The idea being more OSR in that the players should actively want to [I]avoid [/I]making Stealth checks, rather than putting all their faith in rolling Stealth. Flip the script, and be explicit about it. Assume that IF they have the opportunity to Hide, then they are successfully overcoming the passive Perception of the hostile forces. IF. Transfer their faith to clever thinking about [I]how can we manipulate the environment / our pursuers in order to be able to Hide in this scene? [/I]Personally, I'd come up with a d8, d10, or d12 table of vignettes encompassing close calls with Gloaming fey riders, focusing on fey-themed stealth elements (e.g. heads sprouting from trees that scream "betrayal" when a living creature comes within 30 feet and needing to silence them to avoid detection). [B]2. Outpacing the Gloaming fey riders hunting them: [/B]I interpolated this from what you mentioned about route-finding between speedy route & stealthy route, implying there is some kind of a ticking clock countdown. It might be helpful to identify just what that ticking clock is. For instance, does the archfey ruling this forest realm have a costly magical ritual that requires 1 hour which seals off all routes/portals leaving the realm? Let the players know that! Are there [I]so many[/I] riders coming to the realm, basically being recalled from other regions/planes, and appearing out of thin air, that you tell the players OOC "hey guys, in 60-90 minutes, this forest is going to be so lousy with riders that it's game over for you"? Either approach is fine, but the important thing is giving the players advance warning about the timeline they're facing – without that information, the choice between speedy route vs. stealthy route is immaterial. [B]3. Acquiring a flower portal key: [/B]Since you already have them navigating to find the portal, I'd consider approaching this challenge not as one of navigation, but instead as "solving a conundrum." For example, maybe there's 3 different avenues through which they can acquire the flower portal key - you might introduce one via the guide, another via a PC's backstory or past session shenanigans, and another via talking animals / monsters they encounter in the forest. (1) There could be a redcap market below the forest floor, where they could trade for one, but there are limited ingress/egress points to the market which would make a perfect ambush site for Gloaming fey riders pursuing. A further complication could come in the price the redcaps ask being a seemingly nonsensical riddle or something that puts your players in a moral quandary (e.g. maybe the flower portal key is currently in the form of a pixie with a flower blossom growing from its head, and completing the transformation will end the pixie's existence as sentient life). (2) There could be an ailing treant kept in check by evil dryads aligned with the Gloaming fey who would be able to sprout a flower portal key, if only the thick canopy choking it were cleared so it can feel the sunlight once again. However such a dramatic change to the forest canopy would be immediately noticeable by the Gloaming fey rider's ravens or blood hawks, and would attract hostile forces. (3) There could be a ruin at a chokepoint bridge over a canyon or river, which the talking animals know the buds of a flower portal key were seen in fall/winter, and likely have blossomed. However, even the Gloaming fey riders avoid it as something ancient, evil, and dangerous inhabits the ruins. Twist being that it's not just a matter of dealing with or avoiding the ancient evil (or loosing it on the Gloaming fey riders across the bridge), but also devising a means to awaken the dormant bud to blossom into a flower. [B]4. Navigating the forest to find the portal out: [/B]I'd aim for preparing 3 navigation choices, the first one between A or B, the next between C or D, and the last between E or F. Each set of choices has a stealthy option (which should also include some hidden threat in the shadows that I'd foreshadow with my description of what that path looks like) & an expedient option (which should include some kind of obviously foreboding terrain hinting at the skill checks which would be involved, as well as few to no opportunities to hide). When they take a stealthy path, there should be a risk of burning time off their clock when they fail checks or make certain decisions. When they take an expeditious path, there should be a risk of giving away their position to hostile forces. One last thing: I think, if I've interpreted your scenario right, you've got enough here for 60-90 minutes gaming, no problem. Maybe more than that. No need to throw in a fight at a bridge or at the portal out, unless you really wanted. [/QUOTE]
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