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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5421322" data-attributes="member: 8835">So the consensus reall is, as the article fails to indicate, is that the approval process wasn't rigourus enough in that there was uncertainty in the testing process.Basically, Bem wasn't clear, Bem wasn't methodical, yet his paper was allowed to be published.That's fair.What the article implied, was the resentment was based on "ESP isn't real, therefore the paper shouldn't published."I'm Ok with "the testing methodology wasn't clear and we can't re-run and confirm the results, therefore the paper shouldn't be published"On the topic itself, assuming his testing was correct, I wouldn't assume he proved ESP.  Pre-cognition is not the same as remote viewing for one thing.It would have been entirely possible, that the humans weren't predicting the future, but generating it by intent.  There are people who think that the nature of reality, at the quantum physics level, may be manipulated by human intent.  Therefore, when confronted with Shrodinger's Porno, when the state of the porno is revealed, it is influenced by the human's desire to see it.Given that in this instance, the porno's location is decided by the computer AFTER the guess is made and exists solely in electronic form, that's a different animal than it mechanically being moved into position by result of a random physical coin toss.For one thing, an electronic randomizer isn't truly random.  it relies on funky math to create pseudo random numbers that is usually seeded by the start time of the machine.  This alone could result in lop-sided results.Or, the fact that it's all in a computer means it's only a few electrons to be manipulated by the human mind and its funky influence over quantum reality.  That's much easier to do than making a coin turn up Heads, which has a lot more atoms and stuff (yes, I realize that electrons have no atoms).Its too bad Bem's testing was shoddy. I'm always interested in wierd science outcomes, especially if they can be confirmed and then that changes how we look at the universe.  the porno test is one that could easily be written as a program, and then tested on a group.</blockquote>

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