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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primal" data-source="post: 5309539" data-attributes="member: 30678">Well, to be honest, I don't care whether it's 4.5 or not; all I care about is being offered a chance to play with the revised/updated rules. However, I want the "classic" versions of each class, because I feel the 'Essentials' subclasses are a bit too specialized for my taste.I didn't get the books when they came out; a friend of mine did, however, and I read them. At that point I posted a slightly positive review on this forum but concluded that it wouldn't be what I and my group were looking for. Even if I had preferred 4E to 3E, I still would have wanted to wait for third printing or so because of errata. I didn't know that they wouldn't include errata in subsequent printings, because they wanted to sell the 'Deluxe' edition (75 euros -- which is around 100 bucks -- per book over here). After a couple of years of playing PF RPG I would like to play and run 4E for a change. Maybe it was due to watching all those Chris Perkins videos? Maybe it was the hype around the 'Essentials'? All that aside, I'm amazed that I still cannot get the version of the rules I'd like to -- unless I'm willing to spend a week or two just updating the books with a black marker or pencil (a slight hyperbole, but you get my point). And I'm not really keen about paying 60-120 bucks a year for the online tools, because I only use books during gameplay (and I intend to keep it that way).I mean... damn. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

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