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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OnlineDM" data-source="post: 5406925" data-attributes="member: 90804">I'm glad your Avenger could laugh about it.  But I have two points to consider.First, by RAW the Cleric could NOT have granted the Avenger a saving throw.  From the Giant Frog's Bite power:And THAT is my problem with the Giant Frog (and my second point).  The problem isn't just an at-will power that stuns (save ends).  It's also that the player who is stunned can't do ANYTHING, nor can anything be done to help them.Now, I agree that allowing an ally to use an ability to allow the swallowed character to making a saving throw makes sense, and I would change the ability to allow it.  But as written, that's not allowed.  I would also allow the swallowed character to attack the Giant Frog from the inside, so that they can at least do SOMETHING on their turn.Getting stomped on can be fun.  Heck, even making death saves with the chance of springing back to life on a 20 can be interesting.  But being stunned, with no chance for any of your allies to help you, is my definition of UNFUN.  No interaction = no fun.  Again, I'm glad that it was fun for your group.  It was not at all fun for mine, and it's a lesson I'm taking strongly to heart as a DM.  I will not use stun (save ends) unless:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's a once-per-encounter ability or, at the very least, a Recharge 6 or something</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It starts off as something milder such as immobilized (save ends) that turns into stunned on a failed save (or two)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have a party with lots of ways of getting around stunning effects (bonus saving throws, magic items to help them) and I think they would enjoy allowing those abilities to come into play</li> </ul></blockquote>

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