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<blockquote data-quote="Goonalan" data-source="post: 5407116" data-attributes="member: 16069"><p>Point taken, and the RAW get ignored (or at least forgotten every now and then), so my bad- but still...</p><p></p><p>Just to say it again, I like monsters that mess with the party- I realise Stunned is no fun but I also remember when we were playing the Pyramid of Shadows and the Warlord failed his saves and ended up Petrified- and nobody had the ritual/magic needed to undo the effect. </p><p></p><p>I understand I should tailor the scenarios to allow for player fun but there's part of me (the fiendish DM part) that enjoys it when a player gets his or her comeuppance for a little while, and with the right narrative, and as long as the players get on board, then I seem to be able to make it work.</p><p></p><p>The Warlord didn't roll another dice in the Pyramid of Shadows- he did come out of it a different player, with a whole new outlook, and he did some great roleplay when the PCs got him back to flesh again- it was his 40 days in the wilderness moment, Han Solo in the whatchamacallit. He came back a more spiritual player- Kane-like.</p><p></p><p>Just to add, I've been playing with this group of players via VTT for nearly two years- in all that time I have not killed one of their players, that's not for the want of trying. Previous to the Giant Frog I can't remember the last time any of them were Stunned, although I'm sure its happened- just very very rarely. I know what I can get away with the players- just every now and then I like to take a step over the line, just to remind them that there are nasty creatures out there (even at Level 1) that can make things difficult for them.</p><p></p><p>Again, fun = good, got it; it was fun for us, and after the Avenger got swallowed it made the rest of the fight a whole lot more interesting with PCs trying to rescue the guy, while avoiding the other frog- or else taking it down from range. But, of course, change the rules and/or omit as suits your purpose- not a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cheers Goonalan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goonalan, post: 5407116, member: 16069"] Point taken, and the RAW get ignored (or at least forgotten every now and then), so my bad- but still... Just to say it again, I like monsters that mess with the party- I realise Stunned is no fun but I also remember when we were playing the Pyramid of Shadows and the Warlord failed his saves and ended up Petrified- and nobody had the ritual/magic needed to undo the effect. I understand I should tailor the scenarios to allow for player fun but there's part of me (the fiendish DM part) that enjoys it when a player gets his or her comeuppance for a little while, and with the right narrative, and as long as the players get on board, then I seem to be able to make it work. The Warlord didn't roll another dice in the Pyramid of Shadows- he did come out of it a different player, with a whole new outlook, and he did some great roleplay when the PCs got him back to flesh again- it was his 40 days in the wilderness moment, Han Solo in the whatchamacallit. He came back a more spiritual player- Kane-like. Just to add, I've been playing with this group of players via VTT for nearly two years- in all that time I have not killed one of their players, that's not for the want of trying. Previous to the Giant Frog I can't remember the last time any of them were Stunned, although I'm sure its happened- just very very rarely. I know what I can get away with the players- just every now and then I like to take a step over the line, just to remind them that there are nasty creatures out there (even at Level 1) that can make things difficult for them. Again, fun = good, got it; it was fun for us, and after the Avenger got swallowed it made the rest of the fight a whole lot more interesting with PCs trying to rescue the guy, while avoiding the other frog- or else taking it down from range. But, of course, change the rules and/or omit as suits your purpose- not a problem. Cheers Goonalan [/QUOTE]
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