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<blockquote data-quote="Droogie128" data-source="post: 5708833" data-attributes="member: 74952">I never said they weren't viable. It just seems that they've been deemed non worthy of being versatile and dynamic. They're back to being linear, and that's very disturbing. They've also been deemed non worthy of compatibility with their PHB1 counterparts. Also, they've been returned to one option every round... &quot;I swing my sword&quot;. Very cookie cutter now, very few customization options. It would have been nicer to see stances that become available at paragon, and then epic stances. At least it would provide some feeling of real advancement. At level 30, you're mostly using the same stuff you had available to you at level 1, just more of it. Martial classes have been reduced back to the training wheels of D&amp;D. That's why I despise most of Essentials.The only saving grace to these classes for me has been Martial Cross Training. It actually opens up some real customization options that these classes sorely lack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Droogie128, post: 5708833, member: 74952"] I never said they weren't viable. It just seems that they've been deemed non worthy of being versatile and dynamic. They're back to being linear, and that's very disturbing. They've also been deemed non worthy of compatibility with their PHB1 counterparts. Also, they've been returned to one option every round... "I swing my sword". Very cookie cutter now, very few customization options. It would have been nicer to see stances that become available at paragon, and then epic stances. At least it would provide some feeling of real advancement. At level 30, you're mostly using the same stuff you had available to you at level 1, just more of it. Martial classes have been reduced back to the training wheels of D&D. That's why I despise most of Essentials. The only saving grace to these classes for me has been Martial Cross Training. It actually opens up some real customization options that these classes sorely lack. [/QUOTE]

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