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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Angrydad" data-source="post: 4459756" data-attributes="member: 70987">So, when you say that a character who is a bugbear, or minotaur, starts at first level you give them the simplified stat blocks. As they advance in a heroic class they also gain the remainder of their racial abilities too? You realize all this has done is spread out the LA over about 8 levels? They still have the LA abilities, it just took them longer to get said abilities, plus they have whatever abilities their class has granted. You didn't really get rid of the LA at all, in my opinion. Just spread it out like jam on toast. Instead of big chunks of strawberries, I now have strawberry mush all over my minotaur.Also, I think most people would disagree about size Large being a penalty. +4 to grapple checks and other opposed checks like it, 2x lifting and carrying capacity, less likelihood of being swallowed whole by some rampaging monster later on, better weapon damage, etc. I'll take being size Large at 1st level just about any day (unless I'm going for a stealthy rogue type).</blockquote>