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<blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 5360238" data-attributes="member: 1956">No I don't. Sure, strength-based PCs can throw Javelins. But that is sub-per for several reasons. First, the range is not long enough. Second, PCs tend to have much weaker magic Javelin than his primal weapon. 3rd, his feats invested into main weapon group are often not applied to Javelin.There is a big difference in 3.5e and 4.0e. Combats and monster design in 3.5e were much loose one. And both PCs and monsters tend to hit more than they miss. So, a plain strengh-based warriors grabbing a non-magic Composite Longbow tuned to his strength (and maybe augmented by GMW spell), could become a nice artillery. Even if his Dex mod is 0, his BAB (and multi-attack based on it) was usually enough most of the opponents at reasonable rate. And the damage was based on strength. And Composite Longbow's range was, in 4e term, something like 21/43/65/77/99/121/143/165/187/209/220. And of course, most of the spell-casters had med or long range spells which usually covers almost any battlefield.In 4e, many of the monster's defenses are calculated so that the attack is done by using primal stats and with a weapon or an implement with appropriately high enhancement bonus. So, the usefulness of sub-per attacks are low.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shin Okada, post: 5360238, member: 1956"] No I don't. Sure, strength-based PCs can throw Javelins. But that is sub-per for several reasons. First, the range is not long enough. Second, PCs tend to have much weaker magic Javelin than his primal weapon. 3rd, his feats invested into main weapon group are often not applied to Javelin. There is a big difference in 3.5e and 4.0e. Combats and monster design in 3.5e were much loose one. And both PCs and monsters tend to hit more than they miss. So, a plain strengh-based warriors grabbing a non-magic Composite Longbow tuned to his strength (and maybe augmented by GMW spell), could become a nice artillery. Even if his Dex mod is 0, his BAB (and multi-attack based on it) was usually enough most of the opponents at reasonable rate. And the damage was based on strength. And Composite Longbow's range was, in 4e term, something like 21/43/65/77/99/121/143/165/187/209/220. And of course, most of the spell-casters had med or long range spells which usually covers almost any battlefield. In 4e, many of the monster's defenses are calculated so that the attack is done by using primal stats and with a weapon or an implement with appropriately high enhancement bonus. So, the usefulness of sub-per attacks are low. [/QUOTE]

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