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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeoneer" data-source="post: 5286026" data-attributes="member: 91777">I'm curious as to how you think that new options for character classes constitutes new rules.As others have said, WotC has been introducing pretty classes and builds with substantial deviations from the PHB baseline since pretty much right after the PHB came out.&nbsp; Most notably with Psionics in the PHB3 who don't have encounter powers as such and who gain At-Wills as they level.Maybe you feel that a radical enough new class design DOES constitute a '4.5 edition'.&nbsp; That's a subjective call.&nbsp; But it's important to remember that when 3.5 was released it was different enough that it basically required you to repurchase the core books, and that 3e characters were not compatible with 3.5.&nbsp; Meanwhile you can still bring your 4e PHB to the game and use your Brutal Scoundrel rogue effectively in a party with Essentials characters.In my mind the line to '4.5' is crossed when the original core books simply become incompatible with the current rules and classes and purchasing new books is required.&nbsp; That hasn't happened yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dungeoneer, post: 5286026, member: 91777"] I'm curious as to how you think that new options for character classes constitutes new rules. As others have said, WotC has been introducing pretty classes and builds with substantial deviations from the PHB baseline since pretty much right after the PHB came out. Most notably with Psionics in the PHB3 who don't have encounter powers as such and who gain At-Wills as they level. Maybe you feel that a radical enough new class design DOES constitute a '4.5 edition'. That's a subjective call. But it's important to remember that when 3.5 was released it was different enough that it basically required you to repurchase the core books, and that 3e characters were not compatible with 3.5. Meanwhile you can still bring your 4e PHB to the game and use your Brutal Scoundrel rogue effectively in a party with Essentials characters. In my mind the line to '4.5' is crossed when the original core books simply become incompatible with the current rules and classes and purchasing new books is required. That hasn't happened yet. [/QUOTE]

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