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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5286144" data-attributes="member: 59248">bagger: nobody arguing that they've changed the rules: they've changed the rules.&nbsp; But pointing to Essentials and saying that it's a watershed misses the mark.The big issue that isn't there re 3 vs 3.5 is that unlike 4 vs 4.eratta, 3.5 discontinued support for all 3.0 material.&nbsp; By comparison, in 4, there's been continuing support for all 4th edition material -- something that was never true even -within- versioned editions in 3rd edition (for instance, we keep getting new Swordmage options and feats, and new Artificer options, new Genasi options -- not to mention options for new classes that -don't- appear in world-specific books.Whereas in 3rd edition, as people will recall, until very late in the game (Complete Mage), you basically didn't get any support for classes that weren't in the PHB.&nbsp; Sure, you -could- play a scout, spellthief, etc -- but you wouldn't be getting the support a rogue, paladin, or wizard got.So even if you (not incorrectly) say &quot;this isn't the same game they printed in the PHB&quot;, it doesn't really matter the way it mattered when all the 3.0 splatbooks were discontinued and left unsupported in the wake of 3.5; companies producing 3rd party material for 3.0 were hosed with leftover product, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5286144, member: 59248"] bagger: nobody arguing that they've changed the rules: they've changed the rules. But pointing to Essentials and saying that it's a watershed misses the mark. The big issue that isn't there re 3 vs 3.5 is that unlike 4 vs 4.eratta, 3.5 discontinued support for all 3.0 material. By comparison, in 4, there's been continuing support for all 4th edition material -- something that was never true even -within- versioned editions in 3rd edition (for instance, we keep getting new Swordmage options and feats, and new Artificer options, new Genasi options -- not to mention options for new classes that -don't- appear in world-specific books. Whereas in 3rd edition, as people will recall, until very late in the game (Complete Mage), you basically didn't get any support for classes that weren't in the PHB. Sure, you -could- play a scout, spellthief, etc -- but you wouldn't be getting the support a rogue, paladin, or wizard got. So even if you (not incorrectly) say "this isn't the same game they printed in the PHB", it doesn't really matter the way it mattered when all the 3.0 splatbooks were discontinued and left unsupported in the wake of 3.5; companies producing 3rd party material for 3.0 were hosed with leftover product, etc. [/QUOTE]

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