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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5240112" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, I don't really disagree with that in general. 4e is just significantly more complex from a rules complexity standpoint than Basic or even AD&D were. If you did things a bit cockeyed in those games it didn't matter much, there really wasn't much to mess up. Get your Immediate actions wrong and 4e will get a bit strange. Unlike Keterys I don't believe you can excise that stuff from the game. Of course the real question will be is it enjoyable. Still, I think it represents a good deal bigger barrier than it ever did in Basic or Old D&D. Honestly the only issues we had back in the day (at age 12) with that was the incredible obtuseness of the rules themselves. 4e is vastly better written and presumably will be even better on the 2nd go around. I just wonder. I think a clearly written game of the complexity of Basic would work better for that audience. I can't say I would want WotC to go that route personally, but I do wonder if 4e will prove popular with younger players. I guess we'll see! I certainly hope it is.</blockquote>