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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 5359390" data-attributes="member: 84242"><p>From what I have heard of CharOp boards they look at DPR only.</p><p>On DPR the Slayer is great - he is built to have a solid consistant damage that knocks a few rounds off combats on average.</p><p></p><p>Where the Slayer falls down is the "We need that thing dead NOW!!!!!" situation, where the use of a strong Daily, AP, another strong Daily can be a novablast of damage and the fight in question is shortened by 4 rounds or so.</p><p></p><p>Does a Slayer work well? Yes.</p><p>Does he have the guns for a true "Kill it NOW or die trying"? No. He has to stick to chipping away (tho he chips harder than most, he can't "Cleave it in two." - which is what Dailies were designed to represent)</p><p></p><p>Some prefer the steady erosion, some prefer the big boom approach. Both work, and now both exist, so it's all good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>BTW I posted in another thread that I can imagine a martial daily power very easily - I use one a lot:</p><p>I fence, and I have bad knees. </p><p>Fencing normally uses a low stance and a lunge to attack.</p><p>I can't do this, my knees give out.</p><p>So I am known for 'not lunging'.</p><p>However I sometimes do a mini lunge to catch peeps offguard but can't do it too often (they are Encounters) and once in a blue moon I do a 'full lunge' with some type of stab or parry/riposte attempt - and if I do that more than about 3 times a night (about the typical number of dailies you get) I am unable to walk properly as the pain in my knees takes me out - but I am fine in every other respect and if I hadn't overexerted my knees by doing my 'Dailies' too much I would have barely noticed the problem until I had been fencing for 5 or 6 hours by which time my Healing Surges (if I had them) would be depleted I'm sure.</p><p></p><p>Thus Dailies can simply be "big moves" that strain the body to breaking point but don't pass it, unless you do them too much at which point the cumulative effect pushes you past the point of no return and you will be "dead on your feet". A good fighter knows the limits he/she can push to and thus stops before crippling him/herself. </p><p>And for the "But why not get to do the same move 3 or 4 times rather than 3/4 different ones?" Well the exact choice of a given Daily can be limited by oppertunity and minor strains that can limit each one ("I try that full lunge with backwards lean under his blade again and I think my back will give out if my knees don't") or they can be how each attempt at a similar "big move" turns out.</p><p></p><p>This is of course just justifying the way things are in the game with possible IC fluff, but then many peeps say the notion of Martial Dailies breaks "suspension of disbelief" so I figured I'd try justifying them in a way that may make the disbelief hang more freely where needed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 5359390, member: 84242"] From what I have heard of CharOp boards they look at DPR only. On DPR the Slayer is great - he is built to have a solid consistant damage that knocks a few rounds off combats on average. Where the Slayer falls down is the "We need that thing dead NOW!!!!!" situation, where the use of a strong Daily, AP, another strong Daily can be a novablast of damage and the fight in question is shortened by 4 rounds or so. Does a Slayer work well? Yes. Does he have the guns for a true "Kill it NOW or die trying"? No. He has to stick to chipping away (tho he chips harder than most, he can't "Cleave it in two." - which is what Dailies were designed to represent) Some prefer the steady erosion, some prefer the big boom approach. Both work, and now both exist, so it's all good. :) BTW I posted in another thread that I can imagine a martial daily power very easily - I use one a lot: I fence, and I have bad knees. Fencing normally uses a low stance and a lunge to attack. I can't do this, my knees give out. So I am known for 'not lunging'. However I sometimes do a mini lunge to catch peeps offguard but can't do it too often (they are Encounters) and once in a blue moon I do a 'full lunge' with some type of stab or parry/riposte attempt - and if I do that more than about 3 times a night (about the typical number of dailies you get) I am unable to walk properly as the pain in my knees takes me out - but I am fine in every other respect and if I hadn't overexerted my knees by doing my 'Dailies' too much I would have barely noticed the problem until I had been fencing for 5 or 6 hours by which time my Healing Surges (if I had them) would be depleted I'm sure. Thus Dailies can simply be "big moves" that strain the body to breaking point but don't pass it, unless you do them too much at which point the cumulative effect pushes you past the point of no return and you will be "dead on your feet". A good fighter knows the limits he/she can push to and thus stops before crippling him/herself. And for the "But why not get to do the same move 3 or 4 times rather than 3/4 different ones?" Well the exact choice of a given Daily can be limited by oppertunity and minor strains that can limit each one ("I try that full lunge with backwards lean under his blade again and I think my back will give out if my knees don't") or they can be how each attempt at a similar "big move" turns out. This is of course just justifying the way things are in the game with possible IC fluff, but then many peeps say the notion of Martial Dailies breaks "suspension of disbelief" so I figured I'd try justifying them in a way that may make the disbelief hang more freely where needed. [/QUOTE]
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