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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 5245846" data-attributes="member: 5143">He said he still used it as his primary reference source.&nbsp; Of course, that would be the case even if the Essentials line is 4.5e.&nbsp; After all, it contains the rules for combat, the rules for how skills work, and so on.&nbsp; None of which are changing with Essentials.&nbsp; Also, you want to keep the balance the same when designing a new class, so you always want to compare with the classes in the PHB1.But he said it was his primary rule source.&nbsp; Which also implies that he also uses the Essentials books for some references.I think the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes being discussed here.&nbsp; I think all classes in the future will use the Essentials philosophy on their design.&nbsp; I think the days of all classes getting the exact same number of at wills, encounters, dailies and receiving them at the same level are gone.I think that nearly every class printed so far will receive the &quot;Essentials Treatment&quot;.&nbsp; Therefore, indirectly retiring all the classes published in previous books.&nbsp; Not that the old classes won't be compatible, but that there will be a different &quot;feel&quot; to all the new classes that the old ones won't have.&nbsp; I'd say a lot like playing with 1e classes in a 2e game.&nbsp; Technically, they are compatible and use the same underlying system, but with a different design philosophy.&nbsp; Actually, the difference will probably be bigger than that.&nbsp; 1e and 2e were basically identical.I think that sometime in the future(probably a year from now), when a new player joins our group, we'll be pulling out our Essentials books and saying &quot;Here are the classes you can choose from.&nbsp; Technically, there are a bunch more classes from previous books, but they are way too complicated for new players and most of them are worse than the classes in these books, so it's not worth spending your time looking through them.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 5245846, member: 5143"] He said he still used it as his primary reference source. Of course, that would be the case even if the Essentials line is 4.5e. After all, it contains the rules for combat, the rules for how skills work, and so on. None of which are changing with Essentials. Also, you want to keep the balance the same when designing a new class, so you always want to compare with the classes in the PHB1. But he said it was his primary rule source. Which also implies that he also uses the Essentials books for some references. I think the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes being discussed here. I think all classes in the future will use the Essentials philosophy on their design. I think the days of all classes getting the exact same number of at wills, encounters, dailies and receiving them at the same level are gone. I think that nearly every class printed so far will receive the "Essentials Treatment". Therefore, indirectly retiring all the classes published in previous books. Not that the old classes won't be compatible, but that there will be a different "feel" to all the new classes that the old ones won't have. I'd say a lot like playing with 1e classes in a 2e game. Technically, they are compatible and use the same underlying system, but with a different design philosophy. Actually, the difference will probably be bigger than that. 1e and 2e were basically identical. I think that sometime in the future(probably a year from now), when a new player joins our group, we'll be pulling out our Essentials books and saying "Here are the classes you can choose from. Technically, there are a bunch more classes from previous books, but they are way too complicated for new players and most of them are worse than the classes in these books, so it's not worth spending your time looking through them." [/QUOTE]

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