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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bowbe" data-source="post: 5247845" data-attributes="member: 6328">So, your going with that then? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Good luck with that! They sort of have a track record or saying a lot of things a number of times that turn out to be askew to the reality that gamers/designers/developers/fans later find themselves in. They said numerous times that 3.5 was "really no different" from 3.0. Merely an upgrade they said. Merely clearing up the kinks they said. That was true unless you were writing/developing adventures/monsters/stat blocks/spells or any other support material for the game because there were significant changes. Maybe not changes that affected players, but definitely ones that affected game masters and the d20 gaming community as a whole. So yes, from one point of view, no difference at all. From another point of view completely different and untrue. When 4e was announced it was "said" that the difference between 4e and 3e would be significant but definitely NOT as significant a difference as the change between 2e and 3e (I was there, heard it said live, even had a pamphlet with such assertions printed on them. I think we can now agree its a sugnificantly and to some a shockingly different game. (I never said anything derogotory there btw) If we can't agree on that then the discussion ends and we all move along in mutual respect and understanding <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> . Enough has been said about how 4e differs from any previous edition of D&D that I don't think we need to poke a stick at that hornets nest. You could literally start a brush war in parts of Oklahoma over harsh feelings between players of 4e Vs. those of Pathfinder LOL!I am by no means calling anyone a liar either. I am simply saying that I think when companies, and hype men for companies, and designers affiliated with said companies get all excited about the amp up to a new product line, they MIGHT not be looking at all their exciting changes from the same perspective as everyone else. Thus be careful when towing anyone's "company" line.</blockquote>

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