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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5250735" data-attributes="member: 82106">You're still missing my point. The BRV and Tempest fighters opened up new archetypes of character. They are certainly mechanically distinct in class feature from the PHB1 fighters, but the important point is YOU COULDN'T MAKE THAT TYPE OF CHARACTER before MP1 came out. Now, go look at the PHB1 STR cleric and the Essentials Warpriest. When you make one or the other you're making a character that portrays the same archetype, a priest of a god that wears heavy armor and wades into melee combat, healing and supporting his allies with divine power. Its the SAME TYPE OF CHARACTER. This is the difference between the Power book builds and the Essentials builds.Essentials is going back over territory ALREADY COVERED BY 4E and making improved versions of what we had already. This IS a significant difference because when you have that overlap then you have to admit that there's less reason to use the old builds. Nobody was deciding not to use a GWT fighter anymore if they wanted that type of character that was THE build and BRV was different. They might not be vastly different and some people might have said "Eh, I think I want to be a Battlerager now instead of a Weapon Talent type fighter." but they don't directly overlap.Now, when you come right down to it there's some 'competition' between different builds in any game. People choose one or another and the more there are the less any given one will be used. Its just the overlap with Essentials is a lot greater. And how soon the board forgets. I LIKE the idea of Essentials. I'm not arguing anything against it, calling it '4.5' or any other silliness. Its fine. I just think its a shame that the warlord got left out and with the degree of overlap between the PHB and Essentials books I DO think the PHB1 builds will be ghettoized. People can still play them and they have plenty of support etc etc etc. They're still going to become the sort of red haired stepchild of the system, and if Warlord doesn't get a refresh its not going to see a lot of play anymore over time IMHO.</blockquote>

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