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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5248869" data-attributes="member: 2067">The Essentials line has me all excited, it's true. The Wizard was previewed, and its Magic-Missile at-will was auto-hitting, and it featured schools of magic, and I was converted. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> As my quote hinted, this might not be everything I want, but it is a lot of what I wanted for the player's side. The DM's side will, I guess, have to wait for the DM's essentials stuff. There's a lot of leaps I think 4e can still make, especially with regards to monster presentation (which is another area they've listened to the critics on: the MM3 has some amazing fluff material, and very few horrible portmanteaux) and ease of DMing (can I get a random treasure table, plz?). The stuff that they might not have, they might not be able to give me. Some of that might still lead to me abandoning 4e sooner than I otherwise would (Grid-based combat kills me, every time), but those are probably things that WotC really can't change, without a fundamental edition transition. I love that they're listening to the reasonable critics out there, that they're not so proud or self-insulating that they create a feedback loop of only truefans. It's one of the reasons that WotC continues to be an exceptional company in my mind. I can't speak to the adventures, but Paizo will pretty much always be two steps ahead in that regard. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 5248869, member: 2067"] The Essentials line has me all excited, it's true. The Wizard was previewed, and its Magic-Missile at-will was auto-hitting, and it featured schools of magic, and I was converted. ;) As my quote hinted, this might not be everything I want, but it is a [B]lot[/B] of what I wanted for the player's side. The DM's side will, I guess, have to wait for the DM's essentials stuff. There's a lot of leaps I think 4e can still make, especially with regards to monster presentation (which is another area they've listened to the critics on: the MM3 has some [b]amazing[/b] fluff material, and very few horrible portmanteaux) and ease of DMing (can I get a random treasure table, plz?). The stuff that they might not have, they might not be able to give me. Some of that might still lead to me abandoning 4e sooner than I otherwise would (Grid-based combat kills me, every time), but those are probably things that WotC really can't change, without a fundamental edition transition. I love that they're listening to the reasonable critics out there, that they're not so proud or self-insulating that they create a feedback loop of only truefans. It's one of the reasons that WotC continues to be an exceptional company in my mind. I can't speak to the adventures, but Paizo will pretty much always be two steps ahead in that regard. ;) [/QUOTE]

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