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<blockquote data-quote="malraux" data-source="post: 5294164" data-attributes="member: 24352">This new information puts me into the &quot;4.5&quot; camp as well.&nbsp; Basically my standard was that if my old books stayed valid and fully usable (even if they get heavily modified) then its not a new edition.&nbsp; The change in monster layout from MM1 to MM3 doesn't count, because I can still use the monster, it just looks a bit different.However, this change in magic items would seem to invalidate AV1 (and possibly AV2). Either every single item is missing a keyword (commom, uncommon, rare) or the whole thing needs to get changed and updated.So at least by my own standards, to me this is major edition point update.&nbsp; Now, of course, this doesn't horribly upset me.&nbsp; At worst, it minorly inconveniences me.&nbsp; My style of treasure management is pretty hands off.&nbsp; I've been handing magic item coupons instead of items for a while (You find a coupon for one level 15 item instead of a +3 fire sword), so now I'll have to either start picking items again, or just let the party find uncommon items that way, and hand out rare items specifically.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="malraux, post: 5294164, member: 24352"] This new information puts me into the "4.5" camp as well. Basically my standard was that if my old books stayed valid and fully usable (even if they get heavily modified) then its not a new edition. The change in monster layout from MM1 to MM3 doesn't count, because I can still use the monster, it just looks a bit different. However, this change in magic items would seem to invalidate AV1 (and possibly AV2). Either every single item is missing a keyword (commom, uncommon, rare) or the whole thing needs to get changed and updated. So at least by my own standards, to me this is major edition point update. Now, of course, this doesn't horribly upset me. At worst, it minorly inconveniences me. My style of treasure management is pretty hands off. I've been handing magic item coupons instead of items for a while (You find a coupon for one level 15 item instead of a +3 fire sword), so now I'll have to either start picking items again, or just let the party find uncommon items that way, and hand out rare items specifically. [/QUOTE]

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