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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5346957" data-attributes="member: 82106">Honestly I think what people are suggesting is that making a simpler fighter is something with precedent, every previous-e fighter was a lot simpler than the 4e version. There was a concept there to fall back on for the Essentials fighters and other martial classes. There has never really been a simple spell caster in any edition. Nobody really knows HOW to make such a thing. Truthfully I personally have no idea how you would make such a thing myself. I mean yeah, you could make a class that has nothing but 3 powers. I don't think it would be all that entertaining myself. It might work in the same way that Slayer WORKS, but then it is already arguable that the Slayer isn't that much easier to run, if any, than the 4e GW Fighter he's basically emulating. I just think it would be extremely hard to capture the essence of the erudite wizard who shapes magic to his bidding with 3 powers, a single 'booster' power, a couple utilities and cantrips. Either the powers he gets are going to be EXTREMELY open-ended or else he's going to be a bow ranger with different fluff basically. Since they also ditched rituals in Essentials there's not even THAT as a fallback for doing more interesting wizardly stuff.More than that I don't feel like power selection per-se is the main point of complexity with 4e to start with. I think it arises from a number of places. There are tons of feats, tons of ways feats, power selection, implement selection, ability score allocation, etc all interact that make build choices complex. On top of that there's the issue with the tactical complexity of the game and the plethora of different conditions and creative ways all these moving parts can interact to make things complicated. In short I'm just not sure there is ever going to be something like a 'simple wizard' that in any sense captures the flavor of wizards very well. Maybe someone will come along and prove that incorrect, but I'm skeptical. Even the 4e Sorcerer still has a lot of choices and ways to use his abilities that gives him a magical feel and that's really about as simple as it gets.</blockquote>

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