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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5350685" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yeah... sorcerer, druid, and runepriest... you pretty much have an uphill battle trying to make those classes &quot;easier&quot; than they are.&nbsp; Sorcerer already is one of the easier spellcasting classes... and the other two are purposefully designed to be more difficult.As much as the players may want to &quot;design&quot; their own characters... if it's really become a problem, you might all want/need to revise their characters a little bit to try and make them just a little bit easier.&nbsp; Here are a couple suggestions you might try...1) Only select feats that modifier the hard, non-situational numbers in the game.&nbsp; Ones like Toughness, Improved Initiative, Weapon Focus, Skill Focus etc.&nbsp; Those will automatically get applied to the values they modify, so they never have to &quot;remember&quot; to use their feats.&nbsp; Their feats are already applied.2) Select powers all of one type.&nbsp; So don't select some bursts and some blasts, choose one or the other.&nbsp; Don't select some Ranged and some Area... choose one or the other.&nbsp; Minimize the choices they have to remember.3) Avoid taking too many powers with too many different keywords or conditions.&nbsp; If the druid doesn't care about wildshaping, don't select any Beast Form powers (other than the one at-will she has to take).&nbsp; Avoid having one power that immobilizes, one that slows, one that creates difficult terrain etc.&nbsp; Give them almost all powers that just cause damage, with maybe one or two that do a single thing else (like let her shift, or let her knock the enemy prone etc.)While this may cut down on the tactical uses of some of these characters... it sounds like just getting things done faster trumps any other need to get &quot;special&quot; abilities onto the table, like stuns, multiple square slides, close blasts targeting all creatures, etc. etc.&nbsp; Anything you can do to cut down on the number of things they have to remember they can do or how they do them (especially considering they don't seem to care anyway)... the easier it will be for them and everybody else at the table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5350685, member: 7006"] Yeah... sorcerer, druid, and runepriest... you pretty much have an uphill battle trying to make those classes "easier" than they are. Sorcerer already is one of the easier spellcasting classes... and the other two are purposefully designed to be more difficult. As much as the players may want to "design" their own characters... if it's really become a problem, you might all want/need to revise their characters a little bit to try and make them just a little bit easier. Here are a couple suggestions you might try... 1) Only select feats that modifier the hard, non-situational numbers in the game. Ones like Toughness, Improved Initiative, Weapon Focus, Skill Focus etc. Those will automatically get applied to the values they modify, so they never have to "remember" to use their feats. Their feats are already applied. 2) Select powers all of one type. So don't select some bursts and some blasts, choose one or the other. Don't select some Ranged and some Area... choose one or the other. Minimize the choices they have to remember. 3) Avoid taking too many powers with too many different keywords or conditions. If the druid doesn't care about wildshaping, don't select any Beast Form powers (other than the one at-will she has to take). Avoid having one power that immobilizes, one that slows, one that creates difficult terrain etc. Give them almost all powers that just cause damage, with maybe one or two that do a single thing else (like let her shift, or let her knock the enemy prone etc.) While this may cut down on the tactical uses of some of these characters... it sounds like just getting things done faster trumps any other need to get "special" abilities onto the table, like stuns, multiple square slides, close blasts targeting all creatures, etc. etc. Anything you can do to cut down on the number of things they have to remember they can do or how they do them (especially considering they don't seem to care anyway)... the easier it will be for them and everybody else at the table. [/QUOTE]

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