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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 5756918" data-attributes="member: 710">The thread context is clearly that someone wants to try D&amp;D 4&nbsp; Essentials. If I want to try D&amp;D 4 Essentials, playing another game&nbsp; doesn't satisfy that goal. I give you this. It may be okay to point out&nbsp; that D&amp;D 4 is not designed around this, and that other games may be&nbsp; better suited for that. But the focus IMO should be on providing&nbsp; assistance and evaluating how to do it. If he wants an action/combat&nbsp; focused RPG with crafting, and he wants to try D&amp;D 4 Essentials, but&nbsp; also wants Crafting rules, then Rolemaster is pretty much irrelevant&nbsp; (unless you suggest a way how he can steal Rolemaster rules and&nbsp; integrate them into Essentials). Rolemaster will give him Crafting&nbsp; Roles, but not healing surges and Knights with Defender Auras or&nbsp; teleporting Eladrin or whatever else D&amp;D 4 Essentials includes and&nbsp; the OP may find interesting about D&amp;D 4.I didn't see your comment as an edition warring issue. I just noticed that leading the direction in that way is not helpful for the topic at hand. Of course, this meta-discussion isn't really helpful either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />So I will add additional suggestions to save this post!<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Add the skills to existing skills. 
Just add the skills you want (even if with subskills like in 3E) to the game and give everyone free additional training in one. 
D&amp;D 4 skill challenge framework may not be perfect, but they are&nbsp; designed to allow customized &quot;non-combat&quot; encounters following simple&nbsp; base rules. You can apply this to Crafting, Performances and the like as&nbsp; well. Risk of course is that theoretically someone may waste &quot;precious&quot; feat slots on these new skills, but I will simply pretend you and your group are smart enough to figure things out.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Treat these as backgrounds and use existing or costum ones to handle it.&nbsp; When the background applies, apply a bonus to an ability check or a&nbsp; skill check you find appropriate.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Roll these skills into existing skills. 
Either denote a skill that covers a Craft/Perform/Profession, or a range&nbsp; of skills that may be usable (particularly helpful if you want to use&nbsp; skill challenges along with that, as it gives more opportunities to&nbsp; contribute.)<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Crafting may be part of Athletics, Acrobatics/Thievery, Arcana and History, for example. It requires physical strenght or manual dexterity, it may require secret knowledge, and it may involve a lot of traditional techniques (and Dwarves get a bonus to History IIRC)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Perform may fall under Bluff or Diplomacy.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Profession may be Insight or Thievery.</li>
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[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 5756918, member: 710"] The thread context is clearly that someone wants to try D&D 4 Essentials. If I want to try D&D 4 Essentials, playing another game doesn't satisfy that goal. I give you this. It may be okay to point out that D&D 4 is not designed around this, and that other games may be better suited for that. But the focus IMO should be on providing assistance and evaluating how to do it. If he wants an action/combat focused RPG with crafting, and he wants to try D&D 4 Essentials, but also wants Crafting rules, then Rolemaster is pretty much irrelevant (unless you suggest a way how he can steal Rolemaster rules and integrate them into Essentials). Rolemaster will give him Crafting Roles, but not healing surges and Knights with Defender Auras or teleporting Eladrin or whatever else D&D 4 Essentials includes and the OP may find interesting about D&D 4. I didn't see your comment as an edition warring issue. I just noticed that leading the direction in that way is not helpful for the topic at hand. Of course, this meta-discussion isn't really helpful either. :p So I will add additional suggestions to save this post! [LIST=1] [*]Add the skills to existing skills. Just add the skills you want (even if with subskills like in 3E) to the game and give everyone free additional training in one. D&D 4 skill challenge framework may not be perfect, but they are designed to allow customized "non-combat" encounters following simple base rules. You can apply this to Crafting, Performances and the like as well. Risk of course is that theoretically someone may waste "precious" feat slots on these new skills, but I will simply pretend you and your group are smart enough to figure things out. [*]Treat these as backgrounds and use existing or costum ones to handle it. When the background applies, apply a bonus to an ability check or a skill check you find appropriate. [*]Roll these skills into existing skills. Either denote a skill that covers a Craft/Perform/Profession, or a range of skills that may be usable (particularly helpful if you want to use skill challenges along with that, as it gives more opportunities to contribute.) [LIST] [*]Crafting may be part of Athletics, Acrobatics/Thievery, Arcana and History, for example. It requires physical strenght or manual dexterity, it may require secret knowledge, and it may involve a lot of traditional techniques (and Dwarves get a bonus to History IIRC) [*]Perform may fall under Bluff or Diplomacy. [*]Profession may be Insight or Thievery. [/LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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