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Essentials -- What happened to Rituals?
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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 5413199" data-attributes="member: 5868"><p>I agree -- the rituals design was one of the things that attracted me to 4E, as it restored a lot of the flexibiilty to spellcasting classes for non-combat events that I was afraid would get thrown out. Rituals still have that "look what clever idea I came up with for a <em>floating disc</em>" that D&D has had since its inception.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ironically, my original question was prompted by reading <em>Tomb of Horrors</em>, which I just picked up. It has several spots that mention rituals or where rituals provide very useful shortcuts for the adventure -- it's designed with them in mind (Go Mouseferatu!). It then occurred to me that I couldn't remember if they'd introduced any new or modified rituals in HotFL, so I picked that book back up, and when I couldn't find anything, went to the next book, and eventually to the RC ... and ended up here, confused. (Yeah, I'm aware ToH pre-dates the Essentials products).</p><p></p><p>I find the design decision in the RC a bit odd, to retain the throw-away ritual reference. If you have the other 4E books already, you don't need the reference. If you don't (as a new player coming in to Essentials), that sort of reference will just be confusing, because there is nothing to point you at a source. I'm surprised WotC passed up the opportunity to pimp some of their core products.</p><p></p><p>I'm still confused, but now I see the confusion is intentional.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 5413199, member: 5868"] I agree -- the rituals design was one of the things that attracted me to 4E, as it restored a lot of the flexibiilty to spellcasting classes for non-combat events that I was afraid would get thrown out. Rituals still have that "look what clever idea I came up with for a [i]floating disc[/i]" that D&D has had since its inception. Ironically, my original question was prompted by reading [i]Tomb of Horrors[/i], which I just picked up. It has several spots that mention rituals or where rituals provide very useful shortcuts for the adventure -- it's designed with them in mind (Go Mouseferatu!). It then occurred to me that I couldn't remember if they'd introduced any new or modified rituals in HotFL, so I picked that book back up, and when I couldn't find anything, went to the next book, and eventually to the RC ... and ended up here, confused. (Yeah, I'm aware ToH pre-dates the Essentials products). I find the design decision in the RC a bit odd, to retain the throw-away ritual reference. If you have the other 4E books already, you don't need the reference. If you don't (as a new player coming in to Essentials), that sort of reference will just be confusing, because there is nothing to point you at a source. I'm surprised WotC passed up the opportunity to pimp some of their core products. I'm still confused, but now I see the confusion is intentional. [/QUOTE]
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