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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5419687" data-attributes="member: 82106">Sorry, I don't mean to be snarky, but this stuff actually DOES appear in the 4e core 3 books.All found in PHB1 Chapter 8. Also appears in DMG1 in various places in Chapter 9, some in Chapter 2 or 3, etc.Chapter 9 again. I'm not familiar with any edition of D&D that had a section explaining how items are used. There are rules for the mechanics of a few specific 4e items such as light sources, ropes and climbing gear, thief's tools, camo clothing, vehicles, etc. This is as much as was ever in the AD&D booksAgain, DMG1 p111 has a list of goods and services beyond whatever actual equipment there is. I never really understood how a laundry list of bowls, cups, and spoons, all of which any PC can pay for out of pocket change, fosters roleplay...DMG1 Chapter 9 has rules for starvation and thirst. Nature and Dungeoneering skills (and some Martial Practices) cover finding food in various environments.  PHB1 p262, there are also a couple places this is touched on in other books.Gets 3 whole chapters in DMG1. Again check DMG1 p111 for some tables. There are whole extensive sections covering all of these topics to the tune of 1000's of words. Not really covered as such in detail, but rituals and alchemy amongst other things are pretty obvious candidates for simply fluffing as research (IE you spend gold to acquire a ritual, that could be copying from some book or it could be research). I'd also like to note that the AD&D rules for this are notoriously lacking as they really boil down to "the DM decides" since there isn't any real objective standard for how hard a given research project is (not that there could be, but after the whole formula for spell research the DM still just picks the one variable, spell level).No, it isn't sad, it is in 4e. In fact 4e is replete with this stuff. There is a rather different style to the way it is presented than it was in AD&D, but again and again when you go through any of the 4e DM source books you find pages and pages of discussion of NPCs, story arcs, things you can find in various locations, lore, plot hooks, etc. Lots of people seem to like making this claim. I get that they're after a chart they can roll randomly on for the weather. That wasn't RP. It had little or nothing to do with RP. It might be a useful resource for your style of play, but the thing to recognize is that not everyone found that stuff particularly useful. While I enjoyed the 1e DMG I also basically never opened it except once in a blue moon. The 4e DMGs? Use them all the time.</blockquote>

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