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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kzach" data-source="post: 5716084" data-attributes="member: 56189">Lately I've been trying to get into Maptools games primarily through the RPTools forums. I'm in one good group as a player and am about to start a new game with this group as their DM. But even amongst them, there are several people who disdain Essentials-anything.And that's the kicker. There is a LOT of Essentials hate out there. More often than not, Essentials classes are either looked down on, or outright banned. The reasons I get told never make any logical sense or have any empirical fact behind them and seem to be purely emotional responses. This isn't restricted to Maptools games, btw, it's simply the latest in a long-line of E-hate that I've experienced and was the tipping point for making this post.I consider myself a pretty open-minded person. I'll give anything a go once, twice if I like it. I tend to want evidence and facts before conjecture or any form of emotional bias. In this, I tend not to trust anyone's judgement but my own, so I'll investigate things myself before making up my mind.It's for the above reason that I find myself unable to understand why so many people hate Essentials so much. I just don't see any reason to hate on them this passionately. I can understand that for some people they may not play like they prefer, or that some lack encounter powers and so may not appeal, or that some aren't very good (looking at you, Binder). But none of those reasons seem like justification to HATE them or ban them from a game.So I'd like to hear some GOOD reasons why Essentials should be so passionately hated. By good, I mean reasons that justify a vehement response like banning from games. "Just because I don't like them," isn't really a good reason. I'm talking about evidence, data, facts about Essentials that make them a poor choice to include in a game or to have such a passionate dislike for them that you refuse to use them either as a DM or player.</blockquote>

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