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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5720868" data-attributes="member: 87792">The executioner is a mechanically weak striker.  But seriously?  A 1st level executioner with a Dex of 18 and wielding a rapier will do 2d8+4 = 13 average damage on a melee basic attack.  A 1st level Rogue with, a shortsword, a Dex of 18, and a Cha of 14 will do 3d6+4+2 = 16.5 average damage on a Sly Flourish with Sneak Attack.  Both with no special weapons or feats. Neither Rogue nor Assassin are optimised in the slightest - they are doing damage equal to average first level characters there.The Paladin's more interesting.  With a Str of 18 and a two handed (d12) axe, at first level he should be doing an average of 10.5 damage per hit.  A +1 weapon (as any fifth level character should have) will bring him up to 11.5.  Axe Expertise for 12.  And Weapon Focus for 13. He still isn't a hard-line optimised character.  Two feats and a two handed weapon is all. Let's do a little obvious optimisation starting with a Thief.Dex 19 (meaning 20 at level 5).  Melee basic attack with shortsword is now 1d6+7.  With Sneak Attack that makes 3d6+7.+2 shortsword, Bracers of Mighty Striking (L2 common).  We're up to 3d6+11 damage on a melee basic attack with combat advantage (which we should always have thanks to tactical trick).Backstabber feat and Light Blade Expertise.  d6+2d8+12 damage on a melee basic attack with CA. I still have a feat to spare and my racial abilities (or two feats for a human) and I'm doing 24.5 average at will damage with Tactical Trick (rising to 26.5 with Acrobat's trick assuming CA).  Yes, Backstab doesn't double my damage output - does it need to? I'm also curious how the paladin gets +26 damage twice per encounter.  For that matter I can think of few rogue powers that do +16 damage.  And are you remembering to drop the low-hp monsters with the assassin?  (It helps to think of powers like garotte strangle as encounter powers).</blockquote>

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