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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5721687" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, I just don't get the whole banning PLAYERS from choosing what class to play based on its mechanics. If I want to play a slayer I don't even get where the DM has a stake in that decision at all, unless there's some really broken rules issue going on, which isn't the case at all with any 4e class. </p><p></p><p>I mean, races, and classes in terms of world concept, yeah I can see a group deciding only a subset is going to be used in a given setting. I can see the players deciding collectively they don't want to bother with certain material for whatever reason. The DM saying "Oh, I just don't enjoy class X or book Y, so you can't use it in my game", bah, humbug. As with the OP, I'd just go find another group to play with. It seems dickish to me and smacks of people who can't separate their own personal preferences from what other people at the table like or want to play with. I mean really, you're going to tell me I HAVE to play some other fighter subclass and can't play the slayer I happen to like? It isn't as if it matters to the story, you're going to impose Weaponmaster on me instead is all. </p><p></p><p>There are IMHO boundaries to what DM taste gets to decide, and personally as a player I draw that line at what class I'm going to use to build my concept, that's a player choice and DM has no business butting into that without a rules based argument that it won't work right or will somehow break the setting concept. Otherwise keep to your own lawn! lol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5721687, member: 82106"] Yeah, I just don't get the whole banning PLAYERS from choosing what class to play based on its mechanics. If I want to play a slayer I don't even get where the DM has a stake in that decision at all, unless there's some really broken rules issue going on, which isn't the case at all with any 4e class. I mean, races, and classes in terms of world concept, yeah I can see a group deciding only a subset is going to be used in a given setting. I can see the players deciding collectively they don't want to bother with certain material for whatever reason. The DM saying "Oh, I just don't enjoy class X or book Y, so you can't use it in my game", bah, humbug. As with the OP, I'd just go find another group to play with. It seems dickish to me and smacks of people who can't separate their own personal preferences from what other people at the table like or want to play with. I mean really, you're going to tell me I HAVE to play some other fighter subclass and can't play the slayer I happen to like? It isn't as if it matters to the story, you're going to impose Weaponmaster on me instead is all. There are IMHO boundaries to what DM taste gets to decide, and personally as a player I draw that line at what class I'm going to use to build my concept, that's a player choice and DM has no business butting into that without a rules based argument that it won't work right or will somehow break the setting concept. Otherwise keep to your own lawn! lol. [/QUOTE]
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