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Message: <blockquote data-quote="harpy" data-source="post: 4938313" data-attributes="member: 85243">One of the problems with the "system mastery" that was built into 3.0/3.5 was that you have to spend a lot of time separating the wheat from the chaff in the system.  That part can actually be enjoyable for those who want to analyze the system.  However after you've figured out what is worth taking and what isn't, all that chaff remains to clog up the page as you reference the books.I'm trying to set a value to the feats in the core rules, going from a range of 1-20.  In general the idea is that 20 is for the "no brainer" feats, which for whatever reason, are the potent feats which produce optimized results.  When I went below that threshold then it became an evaluation of several different factors, such as:- Is this feat something that will get used often?- Is the bonus truly worth its value in comparison to the no-brainer feats.- Is this feat part of a chain, which while it can be optimized, produces a result that isn't as potent or efficient as another build strategy?  Such as the difference between Two-handed fighting and Two-weapon fighting.This is all a shot in the dark for me.  I'm interested in hearing how others would rate various feats and why.Combat Feats [general feats]Blind-Fight 10Combat Expertise 20Improved Disarm 20Improved Feint 20Improved Trip 20Whirlwind Attack 20Combat Reflexes 15Dodge 10Mobility 15Spring Attack 20Improved Critical 20Improved Initiative 15Improved Unarmed Strike 20Deflect Arrows 10Snatch Arrows10Improved Grapple 20Stunning Fist 20Mounted Combat 10Mounted Archery 10Ride-By Attack 15Spirited Charge 15Trample 15Point Blank Shot 20Far Shot 10Precise Shot 20Improved Precise Shot 15Rapid Shot 20Manyshot 20Shot On The Run 20Power Attack 20Cleave 15Great Cleave 20Improved Bull Rush 20Improved Overrun 20Improved Sunder 20Quick Draw 5Rapid Reload 10Improved Shield Bash 15Two-Weapon Fighting 20Two-Weapon Defense 12Improved Two-Weapon Fighting 20Greater Two-Weapon Fighting 20Weapon Finesse 15Weapon Focus 20Weapon Specialization 20Greater Weapon Focus 20Greater Weapon Specialization 20Item Creation FeatsBrew Potion 20Craft Magic Arms And Armor 20Craft Rod 20Craft Staff 20Craft Wand 20Craft Wondrous Item 20Forge Ring 20Scribe Scroll 20Metamagic FeatsEmpower Spell 20 Enlarge Spell 20Extend Spell 20Heighten Spell 20Maximize Spell 20Quicken Spell 20Silent Spell 20Still Spell 20Widen Spell 20 Skill Feats [general feats]Acrobatic 8Agile 8Alertness 8Animal Affinity 8Athletic 8Deceitful 8Deft Hands 8Diligent 8Investigator 8Magical Aptitude 8Negotiator 8Nimble Fingers 8Persuasive 8Self-Sufficient 8Skill Focus 8Stealthy 8Saving Throw Feats [general feats]Great Fortitude 6Iron Will 6Lightning Reflexes 6Proficiency Feats [general feats]Armor Proficiency (Light) 2Armor Proficiency (Medium) 2Armor Proficiency (Heavy) 2Exotic Weapon Proficiency 10Martial Weapon Proficiency 6Simple Weapon Proficiency 1Shield Proficiency 2Tower Shield Proficiency1Spellcasting Feats [general feats]Combat Casting 6Eschew Materials 10Improved Counterspell 10Natural Spell 20Spell Focus 10Greater Spell Focus 12Augment Summoning 20Spell Mastery 5Spell Penetration 15Greater Spell Penetration 15Turning Feats [general feats]Extra Turning 20Improved Turning 20Perseverance Feats [general feats]Endurance 10Diehard 15Toughness 10Miscellaneous Feats [general feats]Leadership 20Run 10Track 10Improved Familiar 10</blockquote>

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