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Estimating the value of the core feats?
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<blockquote data-quote="harpy" data-source="post: 4944663" data-attributes="member: 85243"><p>I'm compiling different rating's for the feats and I figured I'd share how some of them stack up to each other.</p><p></p><p>After each feat are three values:</p><p></p><p>Borogove's (0-3 rating)</p><p>Sean K. Renolds (1-10)</p><p>Netbook of Feats Power Rating (1-5)</p><p></p><p>It's interesting looking at how they differ. I'm mainly in agreement with Borogove's ratings as they reflect how the game is really played. </p><p></p><p>SKR's ratings have a particular method to them, he cites his specific reasons for the values, but they seem to take the feats into isolation. He also has a few moments where a strong bias is emphasized. His rating system also reflects a "feat buy" system, so it's more like a rating of 1-5 +5 for the purposes of purchasing the feat.</p><p></p><p>The Netbook of Feats ratings are based off of a forum of editors. They seem to be very conservative in their values and also take the feats in isolation to one another. Their power rating is just one of five values they rate the feat for the purposes of their vast catalog.</p><p></p><p><strong>Combat Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p></p><p>Blind-Fight 1/8/5</p><p>Combat Expertise 1/9/5</p><p>Improved Disarm 0/8/5</p><p>Improved Feint 0/7/4</p><p>Improved Trip 2/8/5</p><p>Whirlwind Attack 1/9/4.5</p><p>Combat Reflexes 2/7/5</p><p>Dodge 0/7/4.25</p><p>Mobility 1/8/5</p><p>Spring Attack 1/9/4.75</p><p>Improved Critical 2/10/3.5</p><p>Improved Initiative 3/8/5</p><p>Improved Unarmed Strike0/7/4.5</p><p>Deflect Arrows 1/7/4</p><p>Snatch Arrows0/6/4.25</p><p>Improved Grapple 2/8/3.5</p><p>Stunning Fist 2/8/4.5</p><p>Mounted Combat 1/5/4.75</p><p>Mounted Archery 0/6/4.75</p><p>Ride-By Attack 1/8/5</p><p>Spirited Charge 2/8/4.5</p><p>Trample 0/6/4.75</p><p>Point Blank Shot 1/9/5</p><p>Far Shot 0/6/5</p><p>Precise Shot 2/10/5</p><p>Improved Precise Shot 1/8/4</p><p>Rapid Shot 3/11/4.25</p><p>Manyshot 2/12/4.25</p><p>Shot On The Run 1/8/4.5</p><p>Power Attack 3/10/4.5</p><p>Cleave 3/8/4.25</p><p>Great Cleave 1/6/4.25</p><p>Improved Bull Rush 0/8/4.75</p><p>Improved Overrun 0/8/4.25</p><p>Improved Sunder 0/8/4.5</p><p>Quick Draw 1/7/3.75</p><p>Rapid Reload 0/7/4.25</p><p>Improved Shield Bash 1/8/4.5</p><p>Two-Weapon Fighting 3/11/4.75</p><p>Two-Weapon Defense 0/7/3.5</p><p>Improved Two-Weapon Fighting 2/10/4.25</p><p>Greater Two-Weapon Fighting 1/10/4.5</p><p>Weapon Finesse 3/9/5</p><p>Weapon Focus 0/10/4.25</p><p>Weapon Specialization 0/10/4.75</p><p>Greater Weapon Focus 0/10/4.75</p><p>Greater Weapon Specialization 0/10/4.75</p><p></p><p><strong>Item Creation Feats</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Brew Potion 1/9/4.75</p><p>Craft Magic Arms And Armor 3/10/4.75</p><p>Craft Rod 2/7/4.75</p><p>Craft Staff 1/9/4.75</p><p>Craft Wand 2/10/4.75</p><p>Craft Wondrous Item 3/10/4.75</p><p>Forge Ring 1/7/4.75</p><p>Scribe Scroll 3/10/5</p><p></p><p><strong>Metamagic Feats</strong></p><p></p><p>Empower Spell 2 or 3/5/4.75</p><p>Enlarge Spell 0/5/4.25</p><p>Extend Spell 2 or 3/5/4.5</p><p>Heighten Spell 0/5/4</p><p>Maximize Spell 0/5/5</p><p>Quicken Spell 3/5/4.5</p><p>Silent Spell 1/5/5</p><p>Still Spell 1/5/5</p><p>Widen Spell 0/5/3.75</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Skill Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Acrobatic 0/9/5</p><p>Agile 0/9/5</p><p>Alertness 0/9/5</p><p>Animal Affinity 0/9/5</p><p>Athletic 0/9/5</p><p>Deceitful 0/9/5</p><p>Deft Hands 0/9/5</p><p>Diligent 0/9/5</p><p>Investigator 0/9/5</p><p>Magical Aptitude 0/9/5</p><p>Negotiator 0/9/5</p><p>Nimble Fingers 0/9/5</p><p>Persuasive 0/9/5</p><p>Self-Sufficient 0/9/5</p><p>Skill Focus 0/10/5</p><p>Stealthy 0/9/5</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Saving Throw Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p></p><p>Great Fortitude 1/10/4.75</p><p>Iron Will 1/10/4.75</p><p>Lightning Reflexes 1/10/4.75</p><p></p><p><strong>Proficiency Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Armor Proficiency (Light) 0/5/5</p><p>Armor Proficiency (Medium) 0/7/5</p><p>Armor Proficiency (Heavy) 0/9/5</p><p>Exotic Weapon Proficiency 0/9/4.75</p><p>Martial Weapon Proficiency 0/6/5</p><p>Simple Weapon Proficiency 0/7/5</p><p>Shield Proficiency 0/5/5</p><p>Tower Shield Proficiency0/5/3.75</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Spellcasting Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p></p><p>Combat Casting 1/10/4.75</p><p>Eschew Materials 0/4/4</p><p>Improved Counterspell 1/7/3.75</p><p>Natural Spell 3 or 4/5/4.25</p><p>Spell Focus 1/7/5</p><p>Greater Spell Focus 1/7/4</p><p>Augment Summoning 2/7/5</p><p>Spell Mastery 0/4/4</p><p>Spell Penetration 1/8/5</p><p>Greater Spell Penetration 1/8/5</p><p></p><p><strong>Turning Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Extra Turning 1 or 2/10/4.75</p><p>Improved Turning 1/8/3.5</p><p></p><p><strong>Perseverance Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p></p><p>Endurance 0/5/3.25</p><p>Diehard 0/7/4</p><p>Toughness 0/6/3.25</p><p></p><p><strong>Miscellaneous Feats [general feats]</strong></p><p></p><p>Leadership 3/8/4.5</p><p>Run 0/5/4</p><p>Track 1/7/4.75</p><p>Improved Familiar 1/-/4.5</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="harpy, post: 4944663, member: 85243"] I'm compiling different rating's for the feats and I figured I'd share how some of them stack up to each other. After each feat are three values: Borogove's (0-3 rating) Sean K. Renolds (1-10) Netbook of Feats Power Rating (1-5) It's interesting looking at how they differ. I'm mainly in agreement with Borogove's ratings as they reflect how the game is really played. SKR's ratings have a particular method to them, he cites his specific reasons for the values, but they seem to take the feats into isolation. He also has a few moments where a strong bias is emphasized. His rating system also reflects a "feat buy" system, so it's more like a rating of 1-5 +5 for the purposes of purchasing the feat. The Netbook of Feats ratings are based off of a forum of editors. They seem to be very conservative in their values and also take the feats in isolation to one another. Their power rating is just one of five values they rate the feat for the purposes of their vast catalog. [B]Combat Feats [general feats][/B] Blind-Fight 1/8/5 Combat Expertise 1/9/5 Improved Disarm 0/8/5 Improved Feint 0/7/4 Improved Trip 2/8/5 Whirlwind Attack 1/9/4.5 Combat Reflexes 2/7/5 Dodge 0/7/4.25 Mobility 1/8/5 Spring Attack 1/9/4.75 Improved Critical 2/10/3.5 Improved Initiative 3/8/5 Improved Unarmed Strike0/7/4.5 Deflect Arrows 1/7/4 Snatch Arrows0/6/4.25 Improved Grapple 2/8/3.5 Stunning Fist 2/8/4.5 Mounted Combat 1/5/4.75 Mounted Archery 0/6/4.75 Ride-By Attack 1/8/5 Spirited Charge 2/8/4.5 Trample 0/6/4.75 Point Blank Shot 1/9/5 Far Shot 0/6/5 Precise Shot 2/10/5 Improved Precise Shot 1/8/4 Rapid Shot 3/11/4.25 Manyshot 2/12/4.25 Shot On The Run 1/8/4.5 Power Attack 3/10/4.5 Cleave 3/8/4.25 Great Cleave 1/6/4.25 Improved Bull Rush 0/8/4.75 Improved Overrun 0/8/4.25 Improved Sunder 0/8/4.5 Quick Draw 1/7/3.75 Rapid Reload 0/7/4.25 Improved Shield Bash 1/8/4.5 Two-Weapon Fighting 3/11/4.75 Two-Weapon Defense 0/7/3.5 Improved Two-Weapon Fighting 2/10/4.25 Greater Two-Weapon Fighting 1/10/4.5 Weapon Finesse 3/9/5 Weapon Focus 0/10/4.25 Weapon Specialization 0/10/4.75 Greater Weapon Focus 0/10/4.75 Greater Weapon Specialization 0/10/4.75 [B]Item Creation Feats [/B] Brew Potion 1/9/4.75 Craft Magic Arms And Armor 3/10/4.75 Craft Rod 2/7/4.75 Craft Staff 1/9/4.75 Craft Wand 2/10/4.75 Craft Wondrous Item 3/10/4.75 Forge Ring 1/7/4.75 Scribe Scroll 3/10/5 [B]Metamagic Feats[/B] Empower Spell 2 or 3/5/4.75 Enlarge Spell 0/5/4.25 Extend Spell 2 or 3/5/4.5 Heighten Spell 0/5/4 Maximize Spell 0/5/5 Quicken Spell 3/5/4.5 Silent Spell 1/5/5 Still Spell 1/5/5 Widen Spell 0/5/3.75 [B]Skill Feats [general feats] [/B] Acrobatic 0/9/5 Agile 0/9/5 Alertness 0/9/5 Animal Affinity 0/9/5 Athletic 0/9/5 Deceitful 0/9/5 Deft Hands 0/9/5 Diligent 0/9/5 Investigator 0/9/5 Magical Aptitude 0/9/5 Negotiator 0/9/5 Nimble Fingers 0/9/5 Persuasive 0/9/5 Self-Sufficient 0/9/5 Skill Focus 0/10/5 Stealthy 0/9/5 [B]Saving Throw Feats [general feats][/B] Great Fortitude 1/10/4.75 Iron Will 1/10/4.75 Lightning Reflexes 1/10/4.75 [B]Proficiency Feats [general feats] [/B] Armor Proficiency (Light) 0/5/5 Armor Proficiency (Medium) 0/7/5 Armor Proficiency (Heavy) 0/9/5 Exotic Weapon Proficiency 0/9/4.75 Martial Weapon Proficiency 0/6/5 Simple Weapon Proficiency 0/7/5 Shield Proficiency 0/5/5 Tower Shield Proficiency0/5/3.75 [B]Spellcasting Feats [general feats][/B] Combat Casting 1/10/4.75 Eschew Materials 0/4/4 Improved Counterspell 1/7/3.75 Natural Spell 3 or 4/5/4.25 Spell Focus 1/7/5 Greater Spell Focus 1/7/4 Augment Summoning 2/7/5 Spell Mastery 0/4/4 Spell Penetration 1/8/5 Greater Spell Penetration 1/8/5 [B]Turning Feats [general feats] [/B] Extra Turning 1 or 2/10/4.75 Improved Turning 1/8/3.5 [B]Perseverance Feats [general feats][/B] Endurance 0/5/3.25 Diehard 0/7/4 Toughness 0/6/3.25 [B]Miscellaneous Feats [general feats][/B] Leadership 3/8/4.5 Run 0/5/4 Track 1/7/4.75 Improved Familiar 1/-/4.5 [/QUOTE]
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