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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 8512118" data-attributes="member: 18182"><p>Thanks for starting the thread . . . I've been avoiding it until the film released on Disney+!!!</p><p></p><p>I agree with a lot of your thoughts here . . . and disagree with some others. Overall, I also enjoyed the film. I don't mean to diminish your opinion of the film, but some of your critiques on story choices bug me . . .</p><p></p><p>Why are the Eternals tasked with not interfering with human conflict? Because . . . genre. This is, at its heart, a four-color story that has always been a part of the larger Marvel comic-book universe. If the Eternals could more directly intervene . . . this would be an alternate universe story. Human history has to remain identifiable to the viewers. Worrying about supposedly more logical choices misses the point of the storytelling, in my view. You do point out some in-universe contradictions or goofs, but to me they aren't glaring and don't bother me, even if technically correct.</p><p></p><p>Why didn't the Eternals give Dr. Strange, or some other MCU hero a call for some backup? This is, for me, the same answer as above. Genre. This story is set within the larger MCU, but isn't a Dr. Strange story, or an Avengers story . . . its an Eternals story. Its the same reason Spiderman doesn't call up his friends in each of his movies. We of course get crossovers from time to time, but they are rare enough to be special and fun (so much that we have a word for them, "crossovers") or serve to introduce a B or C-list character that couldn't front their own movie. If the MCU were the real world, Spiderman would definitely be calling up his Avengers buddies on a constant basis, but . . . .</p><p></p><p><em>EDIT: Quick add here . . . the comic-book universe the Eternals spring from is wildly bloated and complicated not just with individual characters, but also various superhuman groups. The MCU long ago reached this point as well, and the Eternals adds to it. We have mutants, inhumans, eternals, magicians, mystical martial-artists, aliens, gods, super-serum soldiers . . . . in this story, the Eternals make some jokes about the various Avengers, but otherwise doesn't deal with all of these complicating power-groups, because to do so would be too limiting to the storytelling. To try and "logically" work all of these groups together into a coherent narrative just can't be done. It CAN be done in superhero storytelling, but not within the MCU (or DC universe, for that matter).</em></p><p></p><p>Why do the Eternals all have a different power-set, and not all be Ikaris powerful? Again, genre. The Eternals are a superhero team and each member has to be distinguishable from the others, they all need their own "hook". And the "team" trope is a mismatched group of folks whose skillsets all compliment each others, so that they HAVE to work as a team to succeed. This adaptation took this further with our team having not only a diversity of magical skills, but a very purposeful diversity of ethnicity, dialect, gender, orientation, and even age . . . both to cater to modern tastes but also to further lean into the "mismatched team" trope.</p><p></p><p>Why did Arishem keep the true purpose of the Eternals secret from . . . most of them? He wanted servants who would be motivated to help and defend the people of the planets they were tasked to. So, the lie that they were helping "lift" these species into utopia. The question for me is, why did Arishem tell some of his Eternals the truth? Why did Ajak need to know the truth in order to do her job? Why not keep them all ignorant until the last minute when the new celestial rips itself out of the planet? They all get mind-wiped at the end anyway.</p><p></p><p>Again, not trying to diminish your own thoughts and opinions, just wanted to provide a counter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 8512118, member: 18182"] Thanks for starting the thread . . . I've been avoiding it until the film released on Disney+!!! I agree with a lot of your thoughts here . . . and disagree with some others. Overall, I also enjoyed the film. I don't mean to diminish your opinion of the film, but some of your critiques on story choices bug me . . . Why are the Eternals tasked with not interfering with human conflict? Because . . . genre. This is, at its heart, a four-color story that has always been a part of the larger Marvel comic-book universe. If the Eternals could more directly intervene . . . this would be an alternate universe story. Human history has to remain identifiable to the viewers. Worrying about supposedly more logical choices misses the point of the storytelling, in my view. You do point out some in-universe contradictions or goofs, but to me they aren't glaring and don't bother me, even if technically correct. Why didn't the Eternals give Dr. Strange, or some other MCU hero a call for some backup? This is, for me, the same answer as above. Genre. This story is set within the larger MCU, but isn't a Dr. Strange story, or an Avengers story . . . its an Eternals story. Its the same reason Spiderman doesn't call up his friends in each of his movies. We of course get crossovers from time to time, but they are rare enough to be special and fun (so much that we have a word for them, "crossovers") or serve to introduce a B or C-list character that couldn't front their own movie. If the MCU were the real world, Spiderman would definitely be calling up his Avengers buddies on a constant basis, but . . . . [I]EDIT: Quick add here . . . the comic-book universe the Eternals spring from is wildly bloated and complicated not just with individual characters, but also various superhuman groups. The MCU long ago reached this point as well, and the Eternals adds to it. We have mutants, inhumans, eternals, magicians, mystical martial-artists, aliens, gods, super-serum soldiers . . . . in this story, the Eternals make some jokes about the various Avengers, but otherwise doesn't deal with all of these complicating power-groups, because to do so would be too limiting to the storytelling. To try and "logically" work all of these groups together into a coherent narrative just can't be done. It CAN be done in superhero storytelling, but not within the MCU (or DC universe, for that matter).[/I] Why do the Eternals all have a different power-set, and not all be Ikaris powerful? Again, genre. The Eternals are a superhero team and each member has to be distinguishable from the others, they all need their own "hook". And the "team" trope is a mismatched group of folks whose skillsets all compliment each others, so that they HAVE to work as a team to succeed. This adaptation took this further with our team having not only a diversity of magical skills, but a very purposeful diversity of ethnicity, dialect, gender, orientation, and even age . . . both to cater to modern tastes but also to further lean into the "mismatched team" trope. Why did Arishem keep the true purpose of the Eternals secret from . . . most of them? He wanted servants who would be motivated to help and defend the people of the planets they were tasked to. So, the lie that they were helping "lift" these species into utopia. The question for me is, why did Arishem tell some of his Eternals the truth? Why did Ajak need to know the truth in order to do her job? Why not keep them all ignorant until the last minute when the new celestial rips itself out of the planet? They all get mind-wiped at the end anyway. Again, not trying to diminish your own thoughts and opinions, just wanted to provide a counter. [/QUOTE]
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