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<blockquote data-quote="phillipjp" data-source="post: 474316" data-attributes="member: 2239">Ever since my 13th level players have discovered Etherealness, a frequent offensive tactic has been to:1. Surround the BBEG while Ethereal2. Pop in gaining surprise3. Annihilate the BBEG before the second round4. Mop up the BBEG's lackey's at leisureI applaud them for coming up with a tactic that works, and works well.&nbsp; Most monsters, even high CR ones, don't have a defense for this, so bravo.However, creatures like Dragons and high-level named NPCs should be aware of this tactic and have a defense for it.&nbsp; What will prevent an ethereal surprise assault?&nbsp; I don't want to completely block them out, like with Wall of Force.&nbsp; I still want them coming in for the climactic battle scene--I just don't want it ending in the surprise round! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Forbiddance looked promising, but if they make their Will saves, they can still enter and the BBEG is none the wiser.&nbsp; Even if the BBEG has See Invisibility running, he still couldn't defend against the coordinated pop-in assault.Any suggestions?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="phillipjp, post: 474316, member: 2239"] Ever since my 13th level players have discovered Etherealness, a frequent offensive tactic has been to: 1. Surround the BBEG while Ethereal 2. Pop in gaining surprise 3. Annihilate the BBEG before the second round 4. Mop up the BBEG's lackey's at leisure I applaud them for coming up with a tactic that works, and works well. Most monsters, even high CR ones, don't have a defense for this, so bravo. However, creatures like Dragons and high-level named NPCs should be aware of this tactic and have a defense for it. What will prevent an ethereal surprise assault? I don't want to completely block them out, like with Wall of Force. I still want them coming in for the climactic battle scene--I just don't want it ending in the surprise round! :rolleyes: Forbiddance looked promising, but if they make their Will saves, they can still enter and the BBEG is none the wiser. Even if the BBEG has See Invisibility running, he still couldn't defend against the coordinated pop-in assault. Any suggestions? :confused: [/QUOTE]

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