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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4551215" data-attributes="member: 29252">It appeared to me to be a fallback argument based on the aspect that your initial objection was that the Ninja only had a standard action with which to attack - and when I pointed out that the Ninja can do a full-round action, you switched to saying that a Coup De Grace was not an &quot;attack&quot;.&nbsp; As you listed the &quot;not an attack&quot; argument after the standard-action only was pointed out as not applying, and did not list the &quot;not an attack&quot; argument in the initial segment where you were objecting to the full-round coup-de-grace, it appeared to be a fallback to my eyes.&nbsp; I'm misinterpreting intent?&nbsp; Okay - it happens; I apologize.And yet, it explicitly mentions that triggering traps, cutting the ropes on a bridge people are standing on, summoning monsters and having them attack, and so on, don't count.Ghost Strike doesn't mention an &quot;attack action&quot; either:&nbsp;(Emphasis added)It just says &quot;attack&quot; and &quot;strike&quot; it does not say &quot;attack action&quot;.&nbsp; Compare to the phrasing on Invisibility:(Emphasis added)How do you possibly interpret one to include a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#coupdeGrace" target="_blank">Coup De Grace</a>, and the other, not?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 4551215, member: 29252"] It appeared to me to be a fallback argument based on the aspect that your initial objection was that the Ninja only had a standard action with which to attack - and when I pointed out that the Ninja can do a full-round action, you switched to saying that a Coup De Grace was not an "attack". As you listed the "not an attack" argument after the standard-action only was pointed out as not applying, and did not list the "not an attack" argument in the initial segment where you were objecting to the full-round coup-de-grace, it appeared to be a fallback to my eyes. I'm misinterpreting intent? Okay - it happens; I apologize. And yet, it explicitly mentions that triggering traps, cutting the ropes on a bridge people are standing on, summoning monsters and having them attack, and so on, don't count. Ghost Strike doesn't mention an "attack action" either: ([u]Emphasis[/u] added) It just says "attack" and "strike" it does not say "attack action". Compare to the phrasing on Invisibility: ([u]Emphasis[/u] added) How do you possibly interpret one to include a [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#coupdeGrace]Coup De Grace[/url], and the other, not? [/QUOTE]

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