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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4555944" data-attributes="member: 33560">As it was pointed out, its extremely uncommon for there to be things that can attack from the ethereal plane...you cant use spells while ethereal or attack in any way that I know of, except for this ninja ability apparently.  There may be some monsters but I dont know them off the top of my head.You originally wanted to know what the rules were.  The rules argument about CDG not technically being an attack seems fairly sound to me, albeit pretty rediculous.  But it sounds like the correct RAW interpretation to me.  However if I were DMing I would not use that rule, for balance reasons, so that puts us in houserules territory.  At that point my houserule would seem to open up another strange loophole that lets 1 class and 1 class alone autokill any creature of any level that has to sleep and isn't guarded by extremely expensive high level spells.  So again in the interest of balance I make another houserule that requires 2 consecutive full round actions to CDG someone...that rule is already in the book, I am just expanding the definition to include people you can only see Ethereally....because they are gray and indistinct and ghostly which means u cant see them very well.I havent heard of many dragons with lairs protected by forbiddance...Even dragon saves arent high enough to survive ethereal ninja CDGs.</blockquote>