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<blockquote data-quote="prospero63" data-source="post: 4064003" data-attributes="member: 16014"><p>Only if you completely ignore the part that says that it is largely unfounded. Furthermore though, even if some may be known to do that, there is no guarantee that *this* one did, and a pretty fundamental tenet of lawful and goodness is that one isn't guilty of things that others may or may not do. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>No, he continued being a captive who was trying to aid his own people. When he was captured, he wasn't suddenly anointed in the party, given a share of party treasure and welcomed as an equal. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>So what? First off, the OP made it clear that the lizardman was unconscious, so this entire line of discussion is really a red herring in the first place. Second off, that's a convenient response to rationalize the actions of the CN warlock as being the appropriate response. Under that line of logic, you can dismiss any alternative action to killing the prisoner as not valid. </p><p></p><p>In all my time of playing 3/3.5 I have never seen a party with a cleric that didn't have the heal skill, and have enough points to make checking the status of someone (alive, dead, unconscious) a trivial matter...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For this discussion, those are the facts as presented. He was knocked out. Period. I can't help but feel like you are switching between metagame/not metagame as convenient to rationalize the murder of a prisoner as being a lawful good act. It's simply not one. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps, but the circumstances presented aren't that broad. I think we may be talking past each other here. I'm only referring to the circumstances presented by the OP. In no way, in those circumstances, do the actions taken or the results obtained fall under a LG action. If it went down as described, the LG characters should rightly have taken issue for any number of reasons ranging from the killing of the prisoner, to the removal of his gag, to the unilateral actions of the warlock.</p><p></p><p>Now, broaden it to generalities and I can absolutely see how something similar (but not the same) could be considered appropriate by a LG character. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, I think we largely agree (maybe). I think the issue is that you are trying to extrapolate the situation into a general scenario whereas I am trying to stay exclusively to the situation as presented. Either way, good discussion. Thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prospero63, post: 4064003, member: 16014"] Only if you completely ignore the part that says that it is largely unfounded. Furthermore though, even if some may be known to do that, there is no guarantee that *this* one did, and a pretty fundamental tenet of lawful and goodness is that one isn't guilty of things that others may or may not do. No, he continued being a captive who was trying to aid his own people. When he was captured, he wasn't suddenly anointed in the party, given a share of party treasure and welcomed as an equal. So what? First off, the OP made it clear that the lizardman was unconscious, so this entire line of discussion is really a red herring in the first place. Second off, that's a convenient response to rationalize the actions of the CN warlock as being the appropriate response. Under that line of logic, you can dismiss any alternative action to killing the prisoner as not valid. In all my time of playing 3/3.5 I have never seen a party with a cleric that didn't have the heal skill, and have enough points to make checking the status of someone (alive, dead, unconscious) a trivial matter... For this discussion, those are the facts as presented. He was knocked out. Period. I can't help but feel like you are switching between metagame/not metagame as convenient to rationalize the murder of a prisoner as being a lawful good act. It's simply not one. Perhaps, but the circumstances presented aren't that broad. I think we may be talking past each other here. I'm only referring to the circumstances presented by the OP. In no way, in those circumstances, do the actions taken or the results obtained fall under a LG action. If it went down as described, the LG characters should rightly have taken issue for any number of reasons ranging from the killing of the prisoner, to the removal of his gag, to the unilateral actions of the warlock. Now, broaden it to generalities and I can absolutely see how something similar (but not the same) could be considered appropriate by a LG character. Sure. Actually, I think we largely agree (maybe). I think the issue is that you are trying to extrapolate the situation into a general scenario whereas I am trying to stay exclusively to the situation as presented. Either way, good discussion. Thanks! [/QUOTE]
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