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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6411213" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Having worn and fought people in brigadine, and the same for Ring-on-leather, it's a hell of a lot better than ring-on-leather at stopping blows. Much more mass to move, and MUCH wider spread of force. (to be honest, I'd rather have brig than chain.)While I haven't done destructive testing, just the fact that Ring-on-leather makes an accidental rebate hit feel identical to an SCA rattan hit says it's better than just leather. Chain dampens better than ring on leather. Considerably so. Brig spreads the blow out over about 2twice the width as chain, and evens out the impact more than chain.Also, Bezainted is historically 14th C - well inside your dates. Ring on Leather is just outside them, having been in use through the 6th C for certain. The argument can be better made that it's not European, being Byzantine, but then one must also exclude the various portions therof, including Greece and the Balkans...</blockquote>