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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7233868" data-attributes="member: 71699">That is true, however the expected AC for a foe at the relevant level is 17, not 15. I used AC 15 to make the comparison in cases where the power-attack is worth using. In assuming an 18 ability score I am counting one ASI into it. Hence I felt that I didn't need to make the assumption that the character's last ASI also went into it.Do you feel it be helpful if I used the expected AC 17 and counted two ASIs (instead of one) into the GWM fighter's primary ability score? If I do, is it fine with you if I add Crossbow Expert to the Archer? As that will prove stronger for SS than the ability score increase does for GWM.I counted the chance of a critical (hence Champion!), the extra damage for the critical, and for GWM the bonus attack in the case of a critical. Looking back at the spreadsheet I see I did not count the chance of critical on the bonus attack, but that's a tiny adjustment to the average damage (less than 1 point).The GWM Fighter probably isn't a Battlemaster, because they want to critical. Hence Champion. Do you feel a Battlemaster GWM Fighter will do better than the Champion? Remembering they will have 5 dice so we should assume 2-3 per combat, which if used on Precision gets blown on their first attack.Please note that I do take the bonus attack into account. Against foes that don't die instantly or aren't conveniently clustered, I estimate the expected damage from GWM bonus attacks is (critical%*hit%*damage + critical%*damage (from dice only)). Against AC 15 that's (0.1*0.45*20.5) + (.01*6.5). So the possible bonus attack yields about 1.5 more damage per turn. Do you estimate it to be greater?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7233868, member: 71699"] That is true, however the expected AC for a foe at the relevant level is 17, not 15. I used AC 15 to make the comparison in cases where the power-attack is worth using. In assuming an [B]18 ability score[/B] I am [B]counting one ASI[/B] into it. Hence I felt that I didn't need to make the assumption that the character's last ASI also went into it. Do you feel it be helpful if I used the expected AC 17 and counted two ASIs (instead of one) into the GWM fighter's primary ability score? If I do, is it fine with you if I add Crossbow Expert to the Archer? As that will prove stronger for SS than the ability score increase does for GWM. I counted the chance of a critical (hence Champion!), the extra damage for the critical, and for GWM the bonus attack in the case of a critical. Looking back at the spreadsheet I see I did not count the chance of critical on the bonus attack, but that's a tiny adjustment to the average damage (less than 1 point). The GWM Fighter probably isn't a Battlemaster, because they want to critical. Hence Champion. Do you feel a Battlemaster GWM Fighter will do better than the Champion? Remembering they will have 5 dice so we should assume 2-3 per combat, which if used on Precision gets blown on their first attack. Please note that I do take the bonus attack into account. Against foes that don't die instantly or aren't conveniently clustered, I estimate the expected damage from GWM bonus attacks is (critical%*hit%*damage + critical%*damage (from dice only)). Against AC 15 that's (0.1*0.45*20.5) + (.01*6.5). So the possible bonus attack yields about 1.5 more damage per turn. Do you estimate it to be greater? [/QUOTE]

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