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Evaluating Range versus Damage (SS vs GWM) - putting a price on range
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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7233922" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>With the spreadsheet set up this was fast to check <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>A = Fighter 11th Champion, Defense style, Strength 20 (two ASIs), Greataxe, GWM.</p><p>B = Fighter 11th Battlemaster, Archery style, Dexterity 18 (one ASI), Hand Crossbow, SS, CEx.</p><p></p><p>Expected damage per PHB RAW against AC 17 foe, who doesn't die to one hit or isn't conveniently clustered with other foes*.</p><p>A = about <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">29</span></strong> counting critical hits and bonus attacks</p><p>B = about <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">32</span></strong> counting critical hits and bonus attacks, at 120' range</p><p></p><p>Expected damage per with SS power-attack "<em>Once per turn</em>" against AC 17 foe, who doesn't die to one hit or isn't conveniently clustered with other foes.</p><p>A = about <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">29</span></strong> counting critical hits and bonus attacks</p><p>B = about <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">24</span></strong> counting critical hits and bonus attacks, at 120' range</p><p></p><p>Attacks are equal if 29-r=24 (where r is range)</p><p>Let's assume the value or r is unknown, but positive (range has some value)</p><p></p><p>Is it credible that range is worth < 5% (required for r to be < 1)?</p><p>Is it credible that range is worth ~21% (required for A=B)?</p><p>Is it credible that range is worth >21% (required for A<B)?</p><p></p><p>I think these sorts of questions strongly suggest that once per turn is correct for Sharpshooter, and more generally I feel like it is super-hard to argue that range has a value of <5%.</p><p></p><p>If DMs used a value of 10% to 50% for r, they would probably capture their individual campaigns. A narrower spread - 20-30% - probably works for the average campaign.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*<em>The objection that GWM might face numerous foes tightly clustered I believe is easily countered by the objection that SS+CEx might encounter foes they can easily kite.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7233922, member: 71699"] With the spreadsheet set up this was fast to check :) A = Fighter 11th Champion, Defense style, Strength 20 (two ASIs), Greataxe, GWM. B = Fighter 11th Battlemaster, Archery style, Dexterity 18 (one ASI), Hand Crossbow, SS, CEx. Expected damage per PHB RAW against AC 17 foe, who doesn't die to one hit or isn't conveniently clustered with other foes*. A = about [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]29[/COLOR][/B] counting critical hits and bonus attacks B = about [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]32[/COLOR][/B] counting critical hits and bonus attacks, at 120' range Expected damage per with SS power-attack "[I]Once per turn[/I]" against AC 17 foe, who doesn't die to one hit or isn't conveniently clustered with other foes. A = about [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]29[/COLOR][/B] counting critical hits and bonus attacks B = about [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]24[/COLOR][/B] counting critical hits and bonus attacks, at 120' range Attacks are equal if 29-r=24 (where r is range) Let's assume the value or r is unknown, but positive (range has some value) Is it credible that range is worth < 5% (required for r to be < 1)? Is it credible that range is worth ~21% (required for A=B)? Is it credible that range is worth >21% (required for A<B)? I think these sorts of questions strongly suggest that once per turn is correct for Sharpshooter, and more generally I feel like it is super-hard to argue that range has a value of <5%. If DMs used a value of 10% to 50% for r, they would probably capture their individual campaigns. A narrower spread - 20-30% - probably works for the average campaign. *[I]The objection that GWM might face numerous foes tightly clustered I believe is easily countered by the objection that SS+CEx might encounter foes they can easily kite.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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