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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6501122" data-attributes="member: 67338">not true... you could say that is how you CHOOSE to play with said things, but nothing requires it...Infact I (an avid 4e player who has DMed 3 groups and played in about a dozen) have never once seen that way used at the table...ever.  nope...  The only thing I find it changes is it allows me to tell the stories and have the feel of my 2e and 3e settings without having to reliy on Divine magic...just to be clear, in 2e, 3e, 4e, Myth and Magic, Rifts, Dead Lands, and my home brew I describe hits and misses the exact same way... Partialy as wear and tear with near misses, and a lot of hard hits that are problely harder then an HP system is ment for, and the occasional over the top description...System Egnotsic example:Player 1: I hit a 18DM: You cleave through the shield and land a glancing blow on the Orc's shoulder.DM: I hit a 23Player: Yea, that's almost 10 over my AC...DM: He swings his war hammer and crashes it on your left side dislocating your shoulder for  moment, and reminding you why armor saves your life...</blockquote>