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Message: <blockquote data-quote="molonel" data-source="post: 2042247" data-attributes="member: 10412">If you build the character right, and use the Epic DCs for Bluff and Diplomacy, as well as the rules for shifting attitudes in the DMG, then the Evangelist can actually be rather effective. I'm playing one right now in a Gestalt campaign because I was sick of playing a combat character. My Evangelist carries a folding pocket knife that requires a move-equivalent action to open. I can shift the attitude of hostile NPCs to friendly as a full-round action, and then to fanatical for my side on the following round. If they can hear and understand me. Not bad, consider there is no saving throw. But that requires using the rather ill-conceived Diplomacy rules as written. The evangelist is made as a cult leader, and a nexus of power rather than a source. He is a being who moves others to act, and that is where he shines.... although I take umbrage at the suggestion that ANYONE or ANYTHING sucks more than the bard.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>