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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ElectricDragon" data-source="post: 3051069" data-attributes="member: 10778">The ranks numbers are not high enough unless you want rogues and monks to get improved evasion long before they could gain it as a class ability.Evasion: Dodge, Mobility, Tumble 5 ranks, Dex 13+Improved Evasion: Dodge, Mobility, Evasion, Tumble 13 ranks, Dex 15+Uncanny Dodge: Alertness, Spot 7 ranks, Wis 13+Improved Uncanny Dodge: Alertness, Improved Initiative, Spot 11 ranks, Wis 15+Spot skill is more about awareness and ties with what the uncanny dodge ability/feats do.Skill Focus (Spot) could also work instead of Improved Initiative.But I also agree that I think these should remain class abilities. Adding all the prerequisites stops someone from just having the class ability to upgrade early. It will not allow a 10th level rogue to get improved evasion as well as another ability off their list instead of having to wait til 13th level to pick up the second one because of the high rank requirements. They can now get it as early as 12th level if they pick something else at 10th.CiaoDave</blockquote>