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Evasive Reflexes: what do you think about it?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2937329" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I suddenly realized today that if it does not allow multiple 5-foot steps (which the wording appears to imply since it does not state that it is an exception to the normal 5-foot rules), then it has extremely limited utility. If an opponent provokes an AoO with his first attack of a full round attack (e.g. a disarm without improved disarm), then retreating 5 feet does stop the disarm, but the opponent can then often (if he did not take a 5 foot step yet) take a 5 foot step and continue with his full round attacks.</p><p></p><p>So, it can stop an attack which would normally provoke an AoO (e.g. disarm, grapple, etc.).</p><p></p><p>If the AoO was caused by movement, typically the opponent who caused it will often have 5 more feet he can move, so it doesn't help much here. If the AoO was caused by a threatened opponent casting a spell, then again the opponent can often still move in with a 5 foot step (or even a normal move) and use the spell (e.g. if it is a touch spell).</p><p></p><p>If done with Karmic Strike, it does not even stop the attack that caused the AoO (Karmic Strike AoOs are simultaneous with the attack that caused it) and the opponent can still often take a 5 foot step to continue his full round attacks.</p><p></p><p>All in all, Evasive Reflexes is pretty darn weak and has extremely limited utility if it does not allow multiple 5 foot steps and even then, it requires Combat Reflexes (and Karmic Strike) if multiple 5 foot steps are allowed (and even that does not do much except possibly stop some additional full round attacks beyond two successful ones if used with Karmic Strike). Without Karmic Strike, this is a really weak feat and even with it, it is still pretty lame.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2937329, member: 2011"] I suddenly realized today that if it does not allow multiple 5-foot steps (which the wording appears to imply since it does not state that it is an exception to the normal 5-foot rules), then it has extremely limited utility. If an opponent provokes an AoO with his first attack of a full round attack (e.g. a disarm without improved disarm), then retreating 5 feet does stop the disarm, but the opponent can then often (if he did not take a 5 foot step yet) take a 5 foot step and continue with his full round attacks. So, it can stop an attack which would normally provoke an AoO (e.g. disarm, grapple, etc.). If the AoO was caused by movement, typically the opponent who caused it will often have 5 more feet he can move, so it doesn't help much here. If the AoO was caused by a threatened opponent casting a spell, then again the opponent can often still move in with a 5 foot step (or even a normal move) and use the spell (e.g. if it is a touch spell). If done with Karmic Strike, it does not even stop the attack that caused the AoO (Karmic Strike AoOs are simultaneous with the attack that caused it) and the opponent can still often take a 5 foot step to continue his full round attacks. All in all, Evasive Reflexes is pretty darn weak and has extremely limited utility if it does not allow multiple 5 foot steps and even then, it requires Combat Reflexes (and Karmic Strike) if multiple 5 foot steps are allowed (and even that does not do much except possibly stop some additional full round attacks beyond two successful ones if used with Karmic Strike). Without Karmic Strike, this is a really weak feat and even with it, it is still pretty lame. [/QUOTE]
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