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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 7140994" data-attributes="member: 6786252">For career changes &quot;multi-class&quot; specifically. Its rare enough (outside the fallen paladin, redeemed warlock archetypes, which have subclass-swap options) and varied enough that having suggestions is the best route to go.&nbsp; The other two kinds do need hard rules.&nbsp;Mmhm.&nbsp; I'd use the paladin class, combine oath and patron into one thing (you have an oath to your patron, basically), and go from there.&nbsp; Probably I'd have a feature that swaps vanician half-caster to half-pact magic progression.&nbsp; And give access to limited Invocations.&nbsp; After that, its mostly spell list.I would probably actually do a separate subclass for each warlock Patron.&nbsp; Or, more accurately, have them work like the Totem Barbarian, where you pick at the appropriate level.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Well, it would have to be a custom subclass in the first place.&nbsp; But I don't think its that difficult to do.&nbsp; The community has actually learned a fair amount about how to do subclass hybrids from experiences with the Favored Soul and Eldritch Knight.Paladin/warlock especially is pretty easy, imho, because a lot of the fiddles on warlock are going to be set to &quot;off&quot; by default.&nbsp; Pal-locks are basically a variation on blade pacts by default, and have built in progression on blade techniques.&nbsp; That actually cuts down on a lot of things you need to translate over.&nbsp; Unless you're talking about making a tome-pal-lock, which is a different matter and slightly more complex.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't even do blade-and-tome in warlock, so that's going to require a different approach.Patrons give an ability at level 1, a defensive ability at 6 / 10, then an offensive ability at 14.&nbsp; Its easy enough to merge the defensive abilities into the paladin aura, and then translate the level 14 abilities into the paladin's 15th.&nbsp; Or into a smite-spell type thing.&nbsp; Give me a list of abilities you want, and I could write up a subclass.&nbsp;Yep.&nbsp; I was just explaining the career change multiclassing stuff, its actually not relevant to the discussion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 7140994, member: 6786252"] For career changes "multi-class" specifically. Its rare enough (outside the fallen paladin, redeemed warlock archetypes, which have subclass-swap options) and varied enough that having suggestions is the best route to go. The other two kinds do need hard rules. Mmhm. I'd use the paladin class, combine oath and patron into one thing (you have an oath to your patron, basically), and go from there. Probably I'd have a feature that swaps vanician half-caster to half-pact magic progression. And give access to limited Invocations. After that, its mostly spell list. I would probably actually do a separate subclass for each warlock Patron. Or, more accurately, have them work like the Totem Barbarian, where you pick at the appropriate level. Well, it would have to be a custom subclass in the first place. But I don't think its that difficult to do. The community has actually learned a fair amount about how to do subclass hybrids from experiences with the Favored Soul and Eldritch Knight. Paladin/warlock especially is pretty easy, imho, because a lot of the fiddles on warlock are going to be set to "off" by default. Pal-locks are basically a variation on blade pacts by default, and have built in progression on blade techniques. That actually cuts down on a lot of things you need to translate over. Unless you're talking about making a tome-pal-lock, which is a different matter and slightly more complex. You can't even do blade-and-tome in warlock, so that's going to require a different approach. Patrons give an ability at level 1, a defensive ability at 6 / 10, then an offensive ability at 14. Its easy enough to merge the defensive abilities into the paladin aura, and then translate the level 14 abilities into the paladin's 15th. Or into a smite-spell type thing. Give me a list of abilities you want, and I could write up a subclass. Yep. I was just explaining the career change multiclassing stuff, its actually not relevant to the discussion. [/QUOTE]

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