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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4993281" data-attributes="member: 82106">My view on this is that the 28 point array is objectively better than a 22 point buy. Denying someone an 18 pre-racial in their primary stat is not going to offset getting the extra points in secondaries, which can really make a difference at higher levels when you want certain feat combinations. Sure you lose a point of to-hit, but the guy with the overall better stats is probably going to make one less trade off on feats later on that will balance that. It isn't a big difference, but anyone who regularly optimizes will probably jump at it. I think the theory that optimizers take an 18 typically is not really born out in practice. There are a lot of reasons not to do so which are good logical min/max reasons. This is true even for fairly single stat dependent builds when you start factoring in feats, a bit of MCing for some trick, etc. In other words, you'll probably see a decent amount fewer characters starting out with an 18 doing it this way.I also have a tendency to agree with people who LIKE dump stats. Call me old fashioned, but back in the old days you had to deal with having some sub-par ability scores on most characters. It was always fun. And really 8 isn't all that low. An 8 int guy is a bit on the slow side, he's not totally stupid, etc. He just has an area he's a bit weak in. It makes the characters a bit more true to life. Real people generally have weaknesses, even if they are heroes.</blockquote>

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