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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 4995388" data-attributes="member: 6562">No. If a character is justifying four dump stats in order to be really good at hitting, he's quite likely to want to be ... wait for it ... really good at hitting. Expertise might be the second or third feat he takes, because if he's willing to pay for a starting 20, he's likely to be willing to pay a feat to get that extra +1.Otherwise, he's probably taken a fool's bargain: losing his tertiary ability bonus will usually cost him more than one feat could buy back.I'm open to well-constructed counterexamples. Good luck finding one. There's seldom a mathematically better option by fourth level. It's just too obvious for anyone to ignore when it becomes +2.At +1 to attacks, it's better than every other published feat.At +2 to attacks, it's obviously better than every other published feat.At +3 to attacks, it's not even worth talking about. If you don't take it, you're doing so out of nothing more than autonasalectomic spite.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>