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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 134402" data-attributes="member: 259">It's been a good five years since I read about this case, but IIRC, part of the McDonald's problem was that their lids popped off the cups very easily.&nbsp; This had contributed to a lot of other folks' getting burned, in addition to the temperature of the coffee.&nbsp; Also, I believe that the punitive damages sought equalled what McDonald's made in one day in coffee sales.&nbsp; It was a symbolic value, intended to drive home the point that This Is Not Okay.And, if I understand correctly, nobody has suffered third-degree burns from McDonald's coffee since.As for the everquest stuff -- yeah, my friends who've played it called it EverCrack.&nbsp; It's designed to draw folks into it.&nbsp; I can imagine getting sucked into it as well, which is why I never started playing it.First Amendment rights, though, trump most other things, and in this case, I say they trump away.Finally, in the US, Darklone, the plaintiff still has to prove guilt on the defendant's part.&nbsp; But in a civil action, the standard is a preponderance of evidence, whereas in a criminal action, the state must prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.&nbsp; There's a lower threshhold of proof in civil cases; is that what you were thinking of?Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 134402, member: 259"] It's been a good five years since I read about this case, but IIRC, part of the McDonald's problem was that their lids popped off the cups very easily. This had contributed to a lot of other folks' getting burned, in addition to the temperature of the coffee. Also, I believe that the punitive damages sought equalled what McDonald's made in one day in coffee sales. It was a symbolic value, intended to drive home the point that This Is Not Okay. And, if I understand correctly, nobody has suffered third-degree burns from McDonald's coffee since. As for the everquest stuff -- yeah, my friends who've played it called it EverCrack. It's designed to draw folks into it. I can imagine getting sucked into it as well, which is why I never started playing it. First Amendment rights, though, trump most other things, and in this case, I say they trump away. Finally, in the US, Darklone, the plaintiff still has to prove guilt on the defendant's part. But in a civil action, the standard is a preponderance of evidence, whereas in a criminal action, the state must prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a lower threshhold of proof in civil cases; is that what you were thinking of? Daniel [/QUOTE]

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