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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8149055" data-attributes="member: 6987520">No problem. I am always interested in a good discussion.Yes, too many fiddly bits IMO. A player with a dwarf can still be a feeble genius RAW. Remember, the default method is rolling. If you roll a 16+ put it in INT, and put that horrible 6 in CON, even with the +2 modifier you'd only have an 8. If you roll and get all 13+ scores, nothing says you can't reduce a score if it fits your concept. The DM might even award you a feat like Keen Mind or something. shrugWe do play a lot of dungeon crawls, but darkvision is also useful in any dim light condition, such as a light fog or snow (like in Frostmaiden, which has both darkness and snow!). I suppose you could play in a game where darkvision isn't a big deal, but that has never, ever been my experience. Any caster who gets Darkvision as a 2nd level spell grabs it first or second, because we usually have a couple PCs whose races didn't come with darkvision so they need the spell. With Custom Lineage, all PCs can easily have darkvision--HORRIBLE GAME DESIGN! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />I could see custom lineage providing other things as well--more almost like a merits/flaws system, but oh well...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8149055, member: 6987520"] No problem. I am always interested in a good discussion. Yes, too many fiddly bits IMO. A player with a dwarf can still be a feeble genius RAW. Remember, the default method [I]is[/I] rolling. If you roll a 16+ put it in INT, and put that horrible 6 in CON, even with the +2 modifier you'd only have an 8. If you roll and get all 13+ scores, nothing says you can't reduce a score if it fits your concept. The DM might even award you a feat like Keen Mind or something. [I]shrug[/I] We do play a lot of dungeon crawls, but darkvision is also useful in [I]any[/I] dim light condition, such as a light fog or snow (like in Frostmaiden, which has [I]both[/I] darkness and snow!). I suppose you could play in a game where darkvision isn't a big deal, but that has [I]never, ever[/I] been my experience. Any caster who gets Darkvision as a 2nd level spell grabs it first or second, because we usually have a couple PCs whose races didn't come with darkvision so they need the spell. With Custom Lineage, all PCs can easily have darkvision--HORRIBLE GAME DESIGN! :mad: I [I]could[/I] see custom lineage providing other things as well--more almost like a merits/flaws system, but oh well... [/QUOTE]

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