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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7863314" data-attributes="member: 7006">I've already said (if not in this thread then other ones) that for the three arcane classes, that's true.&nbsp; But not for the Cleric (and Paladin) or the Druid (and ranger).&nbsp; The Wizard has no healing spells or bless spells or resurrection spells... and it also doesn't have spells that deal with plants, animals, or outdoor survival skills or outdoor movement.&nbsp; I can pull out any number of spells on the Cleric and Druid lists that the Wizard cannot match.So if you can indeed make a list of psionic abilities that the Psion would/should have that Wizards cannot match... please do so and I'd happily change my opinion!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; But right now, telepathy, telekinesis, psychoportation, precognition, pyrokinesis and the like are as far I can tell, are all doable with Wizard spells.&nbsp; Now granted, they might not give everything someone might think should be in a single spell-- someone might say that having the Mage Hand cantrip, and the Catapult and Telekinesis spells do not do enough mind-over-matter movement and thus we'd need special spells for additional stuff... but I don't think anyone would claim that telekinesis as a concept isn't covered by the Wizard in some form or fashion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7863314, member: 7006"] I've already said (if not in this thread then other ones) that for the three arcane classes, that's true. But not for the Cleric (and Paladin) or the Druid (and ranger). The Wizard has no healing spells or bless spells or resurrection spells... and it also doesn't have spells that deal with plants, animals, or outdoor survival skills or outdoor movement. I can pull out any number of spells on the Cleric and Druid lists that the Wizard cannot match. So if you can indeed make a list of psionic abilities that the Psion would/should have that Wizards cannot match... please do so and I'd happily change my opinion! ;) But right now, telepathy, telekinesis, psychoportation, precognition, pyrokinesis and the like are as far I can tell, are all doable with Wizard spells. Now granted, they might not give [I]everything[/I] someone might think should be in a single spell-- someone might say that having the Mage Hand cantrip, and the Catapult and Telekinesis spells do not do [I]enough[/I] mind-over-matter movement and thus we'd need special spells for additional stuff... but I don't think anyone would claim that telekinesis as a concept isn't covered by the Wizard in some form or fashion. [/QUOTE]

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