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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7863888" data-attributes="member: 7006">Thank you for at least succeeding in doing the one thing I've been asking about in all the various Psion threads!&nbsp; You're 10 steps ahead of everyone else, who haven't been able to get any farther than &quot;No spell slots&quot;, &quot;No spell components&quot;, and &quot;No spellbook&quot;.&nbsp; So sincerely, thank you for actually trying to make a substantive attempt at detailing what Psions should actually have that can't be replicated via the Wizard.Looking through this list it does have quite a number of interesting things in it.&nbsp; Granted, I don't recognize a lot of it because it looks like you copied over the names of powers from previous sources so I honestly have no idea what many of these things are supposed do (since I've never owned them).&nbsp; I can guess at them, but it makes it harder to see how many are truly original and how many are for the most part just re-fluffed or re-leveled spells with different potential targets and such.&nbsp; That's not a deal-breaker by any stretch... but it doesn't lessen the case for the class need (since at that point you could just add new spells to the existing spell lists, like WotC did in the UA.)The thing I would most say about this list is that it does incorporate spell effects that are relatively matched to spells from ALL the various classes in the game.&nbsp; So in that regard... if we're talking about mixing and matching current spells into an entirely new list, that would necessitate a new class (because there are no effects in the game that allow you to change the spell lists for any class currently, and that's I suspect too big of a change to become a Variant Class Feature.)So okay... with the various spell effects that would come from the Bard, Cleric and Wizard lists (plus of course any number of entirely new effects), I can see why a full Psion class would be necessary.&nbsp; If people were allowed to complain that the Artificer didn't work as a Wizard sub-class because of the stuff the Artificer had to give up when shoved into the Wizard body... then the Psion is allowed the same argument.&nbsp; Good show!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7863888, member: 7006"] Thank you for at least succeeding in doing the one thing I've been asking about in all the various Psion threads! You're 10 steps ahead of everyone else, who haven't been able to get any farther than "No spell slots", "No spell components", and "No spellbook". So sincerely, thank you for actually trying to make a substantive attempt at detailing what Psions should actually have that can't be replicated via the Wizard. Looking through this list it does have quite a number of interesting things in it. Granted, I don't recognize a lot of it because it looks like you copied over the names of powers from previous sources so I honestly have no idea what many of these things are supposed do (since I've never owned them). I can guess at them, but it makes it harder to see how many are truly original and how many are for the most part just re-fluffed or re-leveled spells with different potential targets and such. That's not a deal-breaker by any stretch... but it doesn't lessen the case for the class need (since at that point you could just add new spells to the existing spell lists, like WotC did in the UA.) The thing I would most say about this list is that it does incorporate spell effects that are relatively matched to spells from ALL the various classes in the game. So in that regard... if we're talking about mixing and matching current spells into an entirely new list, that [I]would[/I] necessitate a new class (because there are no effects in the game that allow you to change the spell lists for any class currently, and that's I suspect too big of a change to become a Variant Class Feature.) So okay... with the various spell effects that would come from the Bard, Cleric [I]and[/I] Wizard lists (plus of course any number of entirely new effects), I can see why a full Psion class would be necessary. If people were allowed to complain that the Artificer didn't work as a Wizard sub-class because of the stuff the Artificer had to give up when shoved into the Wizard body... then the Psion is allowed the same argument. Good show! [/QUOTE]

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