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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6216786" data-attributes="member: 1210">True, and if it's all in the PH then it's all gravy.If a major goal of 5e remains to allow gamers from all editions and playstyles to jump in on day 1- thus the whole &quot;everything from a PH&quot; approach- then relegating the evil stuff to a later release is a big fat fail. Heck, regardless, I think it's a big fat fail. What if my very first adventure uses an evil cleric as the villain, but the Book of Eeeeevil doesn't come out for 3 months?No, screw that- evil character stuff belongs in the PH. Just as I don't have to use double swords or feats, just as Bobby Jo doesn't have to use dragonborn and warlocks, the dm can simply say, &quot;No evil pcs&quot; and the problem is solved. But without the info to run evil pcs, my options are to tell that evil-playin'-player either &quot;Wait 3 months (years?)&quot; or &quot;Let me make a bunch of stuff up that won't match with the eventual rules and will force me to debate making you rewrite your evil cleric once we do have the rules&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 6216786, member: 1210"] True, and if it's all in the PH then it's all gravy. If a major goal of 5e remains to allow gamers from all editions and playstyles to jump in on day 1- thus the whole "everything from a PH" approach- then relegating the evil stuff to a later release is a big fat fail. Heck, regardless, I think it's a big fat fail. What if my very first adventure uses an evil cleric as the villain, but the Book of Eeeeevil doesn't come out for 3 months? No, screw that- evil character stuff belongs in the PH. Just as I don't have to use double swords or feats, just as Bobby Jo doesn't have to use dragonborn and warlocks, the dm can simply say, "No evil pcs" and the problem is solved. But without the info to run evil pcs, my options are to tell that evil-playin'-player either "Wait 3 months (years?)" or "Let me make a bunch of stuff up that won't match with the eventual rules and will force me to debate making you rewrite your evil cleric once we do have the rules". [/QUOTE]

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